Aid for Gaza

JenniferEccles

Well two Israeli hostages were rescued last week by the Israel, so there is every reason to hope that at least some of the remaining ones are still alive.

The solution to this therefore lies entirely with Hamas. They know perfectly well what they have to do.

Maybe they do. But the question remains if they do not,(or cannot) how many Palestinian dead will you find acceptable, before you say there should be a ceasefire.

Well two Israeli hostages were rescued last week by the Israel, so there is every reason to hope that at least some of the remaining ones are still alive.

The solution to this therefore lies entirely with Hamas. They know perfectly well what they have to do.

Nicenanny3

I don't believe a word that comes out of Gaza.

I still believe some hostages are still alive.

In every past conflict the figures released by the Hamas health department have been questioned but after the war their figures largely matched those of the UN and so were considered accurate. This time even the US isn't questioning them.
Some of the hostages may be alive, where they are, what state they are in and if they will survive the lack of food and water is questionable. Over 60,000 people are wounded. Thousands are missing.

Urmstongran

Stop the fighting right now, urges Cameron"
Wrong message again Cameron! You should be calling on hamas to surrender and return the illegally held hostages. Then the fighting will stop.

The possibility is that at least some of the hostages are dead and some possibly missing.
As it will therefore be absolutely impossible for Hamas to release them all how many Palestinian dead will it take before the bombing can stop?

What an unholy mess. We feel helpless against the power playing of the US and UK, Russia and Iran and the land grabbing of Netenyahu and his zionist supporters.
I think we are being naive if we feel there will be any quick solution but prepare ourselves for a protected pogrom against the people of Palestine.
The people of Gaza and many Israeli citizens never wanted to be in this deadlock. There is no happy ending here and we may as well get used to it.
All we can do is continue to apply pressure and pray.

Credible reports!

I don't believe a word that comes out of Gaza.

I still believe some hostages are still alive.

It's now 29,000 dead.
There are also reports of Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons and subjected to ill-treatment and torture. Palestinian women have reported rapes, being stripped and photographed

With thousands of Palestinians detained by Israel since the war began, an Israeli human rights group reported that Palestinians inside Israeli prisons face daily violence from guards, who enter cells and beat inmates with batons, kicks and fists without provocation in abuse it said could amount to torture. Physicians for Human Rights—Israel said in a report Monday that detainees reported guards urinating on them and forcing them to kiss the Israeli flag and to strip. Prisoners are also held in overcrowded cells and deprived of water for long periods, it said.

The U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights expressed concern about hundreds of Palestinian women and girls in Israeli detention. It said there were credible reports that at least two were raped, and others “subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault,” including being stripped naked and searched by male officers and being photographed “in degrading circumstances.”
This is from Time magazine time.com/6696507/palestinian-death-toll-gaza-israel-hamas/

Do you really think the Israeli hostages are still alive Urms?
I am doubtful, sadly.

Stop the fighting right now, urges Cameron"
Wrong message again Cameron! You should be calling on hamas to surrender and return the illegally held hostages. Then the fighting will stop.

Whitewavemark2

So, where are the Palestinians to go now that Netanyahu has threatened to reign down terror on Rafah?

There is nowhere left is there?

Apparently they are grinding down animal feed because they are so hungry.

1.5 million refugees in Rafah. They were told to go there by Netanyahu and now he's bombing it.I think the current figure is 28,000 dead Palestinians.

Agree, as soon as possible

Prince William

I remain deeply concerned about the terrible human cost of the conflict in the Middle East since the Hamas terrorist attack on 7 October. Too many have been killed," William said.
"I, like so many others, want to see an end to the fighting as soon as possible. There is a desperate need for increased humanitarian support to Gaza. It’s critical that aid gets in and the hostages are released."

The Labour Party

That this House believes that an Israeli ground offensive in Rafah risks catastrophic humanitarian consequences and therefore must not take place; notes the intolerable loss of Palestinian life, the majority being women and children; condemns the terrorism of Hamas who continue to hold hostages; supports Australia, Canada and New Zealand’s calls for Hamas to release and return all hostages and for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire, which means an immediate stop to the fighting and a ceasefire that lasts and is observed by all sides, noting that Israel cannot be expected to cease fighting if Hamas continues with violence and that Israelis have the right to the assurance that the horror of 7th October cannot happen again; therefore supports diplomatic mediation efforts to achieve a lasting ceasefire; demands that rapid and unimpeded humanitarian relief is provided in Gaza; demands an end to settlement expansion and violence; urges Israel to comply with the International Court of Justice’s provisional measures; calls for the UN Security Council to be meet urgently; and urges all international partners to work together to establish a diplomatic process to deliver the peace of a two-state solution, with a safe and secure Israel alongside a viable Palestinian state, including working with international partners to recognise a Palestinian state as a contribution to rather than outcome of that process, because statehood is the inalienable right of the Palestinian people and not in the gift of any neighbour.

Oreo

I watched it.
The amount of cash and goods that Gaza has received through hamas is staggering.Gaza should have been a small paradise.
In spite of all that it was spent by hamas on hamas and they never stopped sending missiles into Israel and suicide bombers.

It doesn't really matter how much money is thrown at a state without a thriving economy that state will remain in poverty. With an unemployment rate of 45% and 80% dependant on that aid how far do you think the money will go?
Here's an article about why Gaza is so poor www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-report-80-per-cent-of-gaza-inhabitants-relied-on-international-aid-before-war#:~:text=Unemployment%20remained%20high%20at%2024,

Of course having your country regularly devastated by bombing and having to rebuild homes, hospitals, schools, roads etc isn't cheap either.

Last year I talked in an airport to a girl who was going with her family to visit Gaza. They couldn't fly there of course. They were flying to Tel Aviv and would then join the queue to try and enter Gaza. They had all the relevant paperwork. They were British citizens with relatives in Gaza, but she knew they might have to wait a long time and they were not sure they would be allowed to stay. I think some people are completely unaware of how Gaza has been treated.

I also watched it. I thought it was a very balanced programme. Years ago Mossad had warned Netanyahu that he needed to stop the financial activities of Hamas, they were aware of the tunnels but he chose not to do anything. I thought the programme demonstrated why you can't bomb Hamas out of existence. The important people live abroad and this war will just act as a recruiter to their evil cause because the young men left will have no future. Hamas is extremely well resourced and will just rise up again, whereas Israel is losing support because of it's actions, even the US has put together a new UN resolution which of course, Netanyahu will ignore.

I agree Oreo Hamas in whatever guise political or terrorist wing are an utter disgrace.

I watched it.
The amount of cash and goods that Gaza has received through hamas is staggering.Gaza should have been a small paradise.
In spite of all that it was spent by hamas on hamas and they never stopped sending missiles into Israel and suicide bombers.

Panorama BBC1 now broadcasting a programme about Hamas and its funding…

Children have been deliberately targeted in war long before any of the conflicts mentioned above. The story of Moses in the Old Testament, to mention but one, is about the command by the Pharaoh to drown all male offspring of the Israelites to prevent them growing up to be powerful. There are hundreds of such stories throughout history. Humanity has not sunk to a new low. That low bar was already there.

maddyone

And what will the war in Ukraine be remembered for? How many millions of people have been displaced, slaughtered, raped, and deliberately murdered there?
Will we remember the children of Ukraine murdered by Putin? Displaced all over the world by Putin? Driven out of their homeland by Putin?
It’s rarely mentioned now!

Putin is a monster and Ukraine needs all the help it can get, am hoping the US gets its act together soon.I read about the situation there every day and it’s dire!

Whitewavemark2

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

When this ends - and it will - memories of this period will be of the thousands upon thousands of children, killed, maimed, kidnapped and starved.

This will be remembered as a war on children.

Whitewave I’m surprised by your post. Of course this will be remembered as a war on children. Jewish children and Palestian children.
But it will also be remembered as an act of the worst terrorism in the world since 9/11.

When I say children, I assume that I don’t have to specify the religious faith which some of their parents follow.

I am talking about ALL children of all faiths and like myself - none. .

Yes it may be remembered for the outrage on Oct. 7th, but it that will simply be remembered as a continuum of the outrages that have gone before from the beginning of the last century, and millennium before.

What is different is the deliberate destruction of children. Humanity has reached a new low.

Remember my post about those who do Israel down and support Palestine? One was about well meaning naive liberals.
They simply don’t get how terrible the atrocities were that day on October 7th by Gazans who had joined hamas and how many of them there are.
So you saying may be remembered is an outrage in itself tho I doubt you’ll even see that.

maddyone

And what will the war in Ukraine be remembered for? How many millions of people have been displaced, slaughtered, raped, and deliberately murdered there?
Will we remember the children of Ukraine murdered by Putin? Displaced all over the world by Putin? Driven out of their homeland by Putin?
It’s rarely mentioned now!

It hasn’t disappeared from my thoughts and prayers.

GrannyGravy13

The Israeli war cabinet have given Hamas an ultimatum release the hostages immediately or we will continue to attack

Makes sense to me, Hamas have to release all remaining hostages, to do so condemns more citizens of Gaza to injury, homelessness and possibly an untimely death.

(Source BBC and ITV morning news reports)

I have just got in (half term here) and noticed a typo this post of mine this morning, it should read

not to do so, condemns more citizens…

And what will the war in Ukraine be remembered for? How many millions of people have been displaced, slaughtered, raped, and deliberately murdered there?
Will we remember the children of Ukraine murdered by Putin? Displaced all over the world by Putin? Driven out of their homeland by Putin?
It’s rarely mentioned now!