So, our Home Office celebrates World Hajib Day ??

My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

The wig is called a ‘sheitel’ and wigs are either real hair or nylon. I looked on the internet afterwards curious. Looked at US Supreme Court women judges who wore them.

Who makes these rules up?
Men.
It’s all about control.

I’ve just read the book ‘Brazen’ by Julia Haart upon which that Netflix series was based. It was pretty illuminating.

kircubbin2000

There's a whole clip on Instagram explaining how to clean your meat fork if it touches dairy.

So no beef stroganoff, then ??

There's series called "Unorthodox" about a girl who escapes from a strict jewish society in New York. It's well worth watching.

There's a whole clip on Instagram explaining how to clean your meat fork if it touches dairy.

kircubbin2000

Never knew women shaved their heads. That's madness.

Yet then wear wigs!

Never knew women shaved their heads. That's madness.

My daughter is an HR manager in the civil service, based in the North West. Just been chatting to her and asked her about networks. Networks are useful to HR because complaints come through the networks. People feel they have a voice. My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out. If, for example, somebody complains about discrimination, she can contact the relevant network and discuss whether there's a more general issue.

Callistemon21

petra

Callistemon
Ive often wondered: why is a link believable from The Guardian but the same story from The Mail is a pack of lies 🤷‍♀️

😂😂😂

I know! But before I was criticised for posting a sensational pack of lies from the DM I thought I'd have a look to see if the Guardian had reported it too.

I often look at both online and it's surprising how often the same sensational pack of lies is reported in both. 😃

👏👏😂😂 That is so true!

I am the first to criticise the DM for its ghastly celebrity articles and for its sensationalism (which Oscar Wilde would love!). But I have to give credit where it's due. They do go into lots of detail with their stories and no-one ever provides such amazing pictures to accompany the article. Also take a look at their Science or Travel tabs. There is always something interesting there.

Are there any Muslim Gransnetters who could share an informed view please?

nanna8

At one stage I worked for the public service in Australia and we were actually instructed never, ever, to criticise anything outside our own office or our jobs would be on the line. We were also told not to ever reveal any personal religious beliefs or political persuasions. That would have been in the 1990s. Maybe things are different now?

We had to fill in forms many years ago asking rather intrusive questions and most of us ignored most of the questions.
We then got a piece of paper back telling us the details of which we'd put on the form, which was presumably logged on a database somewhere.

At one stage I worked for the public service in Australia and we were actually instructed never, ever, to criticise anything outside our own office or our jobs would be on the line. We were also told not to ever reveal any personal religious beliefs or political persuasions. That would have been in the 1990s. Maybe things are different now?

TinSoldier

The Civil Service has more than 20 staff networks. They are cross-government i.e. committing to and implementing shared policy ambitions.

There are networks for disabilty and health conditions, a neurodiversity network, a parent network, a carers network and many others including faith and belief groups. As well as Muslim, there are Christian, HIndu, Jewish, Sikh and Humanist networks.

www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/civil-service-networks/

Well, as a civil servant, parent and carer I can honestly say I never heard of any of these.

They must be something new or London-centric.

But why? It's work, not a social club.

I thought public services were not supposed to have any form of political or religious bias? I suppose the reality is,they do.
First I've heard of it nanna8
We went to work to do a job.

The Civil Service has more than 20 staff networks. They are cross-government i.e. committing to and implementing shared policy ambitions.

There are networks for disabilty and health conditions, a neurodiversity network, a parent network, a carers network and many others including faith and belief groups. As well as Muslim, there are Christian, HIndu, Jewish, Sikh and Humanist networks.

www.civil-service-careers.gov.uk/civil-service-networks/

I thought public services were not supposed to have any form of political or religious bias? I suppose the reality is,they do.

maddyone

Urmstongran

Should clarify.
It’s the Home Office Islamist Network. (HOIN).
Who even knew such a subset existed?
Me neither.

Neither did I.
What on earth is it for and what does it do?

The civil service has a huge number of employees. There are networks for all sorts of groups. They're actually quite useful because grievances involving possible discrimination can be channeled through them and, hopefully, discussed calmly and rationally before they escalate into a crisis.

If the grievance can be addressed by a simple readjustment, it can happen without fuss. If it can't be, the network will be given a reason.

petra

Callistemon
Ive often wondered: why is a link believable from The Guardian but the same story from The Mail is a pack of lies 🤷‍♀️

😂😂😂

I know! But before I was criticised for posting a sensational pack of lies from the DM I thought I'd have a look to see if the Guardian had reported it too.

I often look at both online and it's surprising how often the same sensational pack of lies is reported in both. 😃

Casdon

Callistemon21

Casdon

Callistemon21

Casdon

Urmstongran

Casdon

It’s not an organisation though, it’s a network for people of a particular faith who work in the civil service, and those networks exist for all major faiths, so they will all do their own specific celebration within their own network.

Hopefully not on taxpayers money though Casdon! I’d be very surprised if this was all done in their own free time. Let civil servants concentrate on the main job in hand. Not silly distractions.

This explains why there are networks and how they work.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/faith-and-belief-toolkit/the-civil-service-faith-and-belief-toolkit

How did I manage to work for the Civil Service for all those years and yet be unaware of these networks? 🤔
Perhaps it's a London-centric thing.
Or perhaps we were just so very busy all the time.

It’s probably a last few years thing I would guess, so maybe not around in your day (or mine). We did have prayer rooms in the NHS, but that was as far as it went.

Oh yes, I am quite ancient 😂

I did read that the World Hajib Day was the brainchild of an American Muslim woman, and that Teresa May attended the launch in 2017 when she was PM. So it is quite new - I don’t know when the networks were launched though.

I believe it was started in the US in 2013, but this year was the first year it became World Hijab day.

To be honest, I suspect it's a bigger issue in some countries than in the UK (France, for example). We're talking about a hijab (head covering), not a full burkha. I hardly even notice whether a woman covers her head and it doesn't bother me in the slightest if she does. That's not to say I'm indifferent to the pressures some Muslim women experience in their families, but that has more to it than head coverings.

Callistemon
Ive often wondered: why is a link believable from The Guardian but the same story from The Mail is a pack of lies 🤷‍♀️

This lady was lucky. 😀

www.itv.com/news/london/2022-01-06/nurse-told-to-stop-wearing-cross-necklace-was-discriminated-against#

X post petra

AGAA4

Do British Airways ban the hijab on their airways? If they ban the cross and allow the hijab it's extremely biased against Christians.

It was a while ago, hit the headlines and the court ruled in her favour and ordered BA to pay her damages.

www.theguardian.com/law/2013/jan/15/ba-rights-cross-european-court
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262628/Nadia-Eweida-Christian-British-Airways-employee-wins-landmark-case-ECHR-finds-suffered-discrimination-silver-cross.html#:~:text=Miss%20Eweida%2C%2061%2C%20had%20been,'m%20overwhelmed%2C%20but%20jubilant.

In the interests of balance, links to the Guardian and the Mail 😁

Here’s the BA case.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/feb/12/christian-british-airways-worker-cross#:~:text=A%20Christian%20woman%20lost%20her,a%20cross%20visibly%20at%20work.

maddyone

The ban on the Christian cross was a few years ago. I think it may have been British Airways, or possibly it was a bank. I’m unsure, but the lady involved took it to court, and if I remember rightly, she lost her case.
There was something a week or so that I saw online, it could even have been on Gransnet, but I’m not sure, but some people were prevented from singing hymns in the street. I’m sorry the details are hazy of both events, but they definitely happened.

I found it.
The ban is outside abortion clinics where Christians have been quietly praying and holding placards with a message from the Bible.

One has been threatened with six months' imprisonment for holding a placard with Psalm 139 v.13 on it outside an abortion clinic.

Andrea Williams, chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, said: “It is worrying that a man in his 70s holding a sign with a Bible verse on it is now being treated as an ‘emergency’ situation by the police.
On February 1 2024, at Uxbridge Magistrates’ Court in London, a Christian preacher will learn if he will be criminalised for holding a sign with a verse from the Bible’s renowned Psalm 139 on it within a ‘buffer zone’ outside of an abortion clinic.
Stephen Green, 72, from South Wales, was prosecuted by Ealing Council under section 67 of the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 for holding the sign outside of an MSI Reproductive Choices clinic in Mattock Lane, West London, on 6 February 2023.
The verdict in Stephen’s case is expected on Thursday 1 March 2024.

christianconcern.com/comment/will-preacher-be-found-guilty-for-holding-bible-verse-in-buffer-zone/

We have the right to free speech -v- a woman's right to choose without fear of intimidation.
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