So, our Home Office celebrates World Hajib Day ??

So they,The Home Office are celebrating everything that's alien to Britain?

Like what? Chicken Balti?

caknib

Oh I don't know about these mysterious they and their celebrations. Is 'they' Muslims? All Muslims?

Quite a few of 'they' celebrate all sorts of things. Some non they,don't celebrate Christian festivals.

'They' is actually the Home Office. Maybe check the thread before twisting the meaning of what someone has said.

Oh I don't know about these mysterious they and their celebrations. Is 'they' Muslims? All Muslims?

Quite a few of 'they' celebrate all sorts of things. Some non they,don't celebrate Christian festivals.

Cossy

Kandinsky

Why doesn't this surprise me they celebrate everything that's alien to Britain

Wait till Labour get in. It will get 100x worse.

Very doubtful says I, a CS throughout this govt reign, thankfully and gratefully retired!

Errrmm ... "they" celebrate a lot which isn't alien to Britain too.

My daughter had two wedding ceremonies. The first was an Arab nikah in a mosque. She covered her head for the nikah and her husband wore full Arab dress with a turban-like head covering (don't know what it's called officially). They both looked absolutely stunning. The second was a civil wedding in a hotel and both wore "traditional" western wedding outfits and looked stunning again. Neither believes in any god. They wore what they did as a sign of respect to their relatives and to their cultural backgrounds - and we all had an amazing time during both weddings and have unforgettable memories.

Kandinsky

Why doesn't this surprise me they celebrate everything that's alien to Britain

Wait till Labour get in. It will get 100x worse.

Very doubtful says I, a CS throughout this govt reign, thankfully and gratefully retired!

I was very friendly with a Muslim lady online, a good few years ago, and she said that under her cover up, Muslim clothes, she would have on her pyjamas on the school run.

She had covered her face at some times during her life, and not at others.
Her choice, and I believed her: she was very strong minded.

She also divorced her first husband for infidelity.

When my hair is a mess and I really can't be bothered to go and get it cut I sometimes think a hijab would be useful. Instead I pull on a woolly hat, but you can't keep that on all the time!!!

Ali23

VioletSky

Women should get to wear what they want

If a woman chooses to wear it, respect her choice

If a woman chooses not to, respect her choice

It's simple

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I have known muslim women who wear the hijab and feel that it’s part of their identity. And the hijab can be very beautiful.
Not everyone wears it because they are coerced.

My dentist wears a hijab. As I spend a few minutes staring at her face, I can't help noticing how beautiful she is. Fantastic skin, amazing eyes and immaculate make-up.

Oh I'd have to wear a vest and knickers!!!

Dickens

Galaxy

Yes. Choicey choice feminism. That's been brilliant for women. It's amazing how these choices all seem to benefit men.

Yes - from the now traditional 'red-carpet' attire at film premieres, etc, women uniformly wear the tightest, 'skimpiest', most revealing outfits... the 'moguls' of the media, entertainment and fashion worlds are, largely, men.

The pressure to conform to this way of dressing is subtle, but it is oppressive - in the same way that certain cultures adorn their pre-pubescent girls in the hijab and who then, as adults, feel pressured or are conditioned, to continue wearing them..

The common denominator is - men. The dichotomy is that one group are dressing in a way that will attract the 'male gaze' and the other group in a way that avoids it.

I wonder how women would dress, what they would wear, if they genuinely dressed simply to please themselves?

Bra-less, maybe even naked in Summer!

And this helps the asylum backlog how?

Galaxy

Yes. Choicey choice feminism. That's been brilliant for women. It's amazing how these choices all seem to benefit men.

Yes - from the now traditional 'red-carpet' attire at film premieres, etc, women uniformly wear the tightest, 'skimpiest', most revealing outfits... the 'moguls' of the media, entertainment and fashion worlds are, largely, men.

The pressure to conform to this way of dressing is subtle, but it is oppressive - in the same way that certain cultures adorn their pre-pubescent girls in the hijab and who then, as adults, feel pressured or are conditioned, to continue wearing them..

The common denominator is - men. The dichotomy is that one group are dressing in a way that will attract the 'male gaze' and the other group in a way that avoids it.

I wonder how women would dress, what they would wear, if they genuinely dressed simply to please themselves?

Yes. Choicey choice feminism. That's been brilliant for women. It's amazing how these choices all seem to benefit men.

VioletSky

Women should get to wear what they want

If a woman chooses to wear it, respect her choice

If a woman chooses not to, respect her choice

It's simple

I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I have known muslim women who wear the hijab and feel that it’s part of their identity. And the hijab can be very beautiful.
Not everyone wears it because they are coerced.

GrannyGravy13

I suggest you tell that to the women in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or are you suggesting that they are willingly covering themselves?

If this is something they are doing willingly why are they systematically beaten and imprisoned for not covering their head or covering it incorrectly.

As for the women who have to wear the full body covering with only a black mesh small aperture through which they can see which is strictly policed in Afghanistan…

Well put GG13.
Once compulsion by punishment comes in, it stops being a choice (except the choice to avoid being punished.)
Even clothing children in what I consider to be unsuitable garments is not compulsory. Punishing the child or the parents for doing so would be like punishing women for not wearing a hijab.

growstuff

Urmstongran

…. On the subject of ‘networks’ get this:

“ Ministry of Defence has 93 diversity networks including 10 for gender issues”
The staff forums for civil servants and those serving in the Armed Forces also include seven for LGBT issues and 14 for race.

Blimey.
It’s worse than I thought.

Why worse?

Given the rampant bullying and appalling suicide rates in the armed forces I'm surprised you seen to find networks to support issues around LGBT or race are a bad idea.

Urmstongran

…. On the subject of ‘networks’ get this:

“ Ministry of Defence has 93 diversity networks including 10 for gender issues”
The staff forums for civil servants and those serving in the Armed Forces also include seven for LGBT issues and 14 for race.

Blimey.
It’s worse than I thought.

Why worse?

Callistemon21

Urmstongran

My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

It could have started about 25 years ago, then, when we had to fill in those forms which included questions about ethnicity.

I doubt if it has anything to do with the form-filling. It's about good staff relations and ensuring different groups have a voice.

maddyone

Sorry, early morning here in NZ, we’re leaving soon for home.
Reading your posts I know I was a bit muddled in my post last night. I couldn’t remember properly. Anyway the lady from BA won her case it seems but a nurse lost her similar case. I remember the nurse story now but muddled the two cases. I know about the hymn singing and praying outside abortion clinics, that definitely shouldn’t be allowed. I think they should be moved away from the clinic, perhaps a couple of hundred yards or so, but I thought the case last week was on Oxford St or somewhere similar and a police woman that’s not a proper police officer, sorry can’t remember the name of the role, made a mistake and was reprimanded for stopping the singing.
Anyway got to go, I may look in when we reach Singapore.

The lady from BA won her case because she went to the European Court of Human Rights, which some people want to exclude from the British legal system.

maddyone

Sorry, early morning here in NZ, we’re leaving soon for home.
Reading your posts I know I was a bit muddled in my post last night. I couldn’t remember properly. Anyway the lady from BA won her case it seems but a nurse lost her similar case. I remember the nurse story now but muddled the two cases. I know about the hymn singing and praying outside abortion clinics, that definitely shouldn’t be allowed. I think they should be moved away from the clinic, perhaps a couple of hundred yards or so, but I thought the case last week was on Oxford St or somewhere similar and a police woman that’s not a proper police officer, sorry can’t remember the name of the role, made a mistake and was reprimanded for stopping the singing.
Anyway got to go, I may look in when we reach Singapore.

We don't know why a woman might want or need an abortion. Some might be desperate, some for medical reasons.
They should not be intimidated outside the clinics.

Have a good journey and enjoy Singapore Airport! If you have time, there is (or used to be) a lovely sunflower garden on the roof.

Urmstongran

^My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out^

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

What's that supposed to mean?

Ensuring diversity is not only the law, but it makes for good employer/staff relations.

For example, it ensures that dress codes mean Christian staff can wear crucifixes or that female staff have spaces to go to the toilet without being harassed. Don't you agree with diversity?

Having networks means that grievances don't fester, but can be brought out in the open and discussed maturely and rationally.

Urmstongran

^My daughter said it also helps in ensuring that diversity policies are carried out^

I’ll just bet it does growstuff.

It could have started about 25 years ago, then, when we had to fill in those forms which included questions about ethnicity.

Sorry, early morning here in NZ, we’re leaving soon for home.
Reading your posts I know I was a bit muddled in my post last night. I couldn’t remember properly. Anyway the lady from BA won her case it seems but a nurse lost her similar case. I remember the nurse story now but muddled the two cases. I know about the hymn singing and praying outside abortion clinics, that definitely shouldn’t be allowed. I think they should be moved away from the clinic, perhaps a couple of hundred yards or so, but I thought the case last week was on Oxford St or somewhere similar and a police woman that’s not a proper police officer, sorry can’t remember the name of the role, made a mistake and was reprimanded for stopping the singing.
Anyway got to go, I may look in when we reach Singapore.

…. On the subject of ‘networks’ get this:

“ Ministry of Defence has 93 diversity networks including 10 for gender issues”
The staff forums for civil servants and those serving in the Armed Forces also include seven for LGBT issues and 14 for race.

Blimey.
It’s worse than I thought.