The vote on the call for ceasefire in Gaza

Nicenanny3

20:14Urmstongran

Bercow was a remainer, he lost his impartiality when the brexit vote happened, Hoyle is a labour man, he lost his impartiality today trying to defend his party from schism. We urgently need MPs who are not intimidated by Islam, and not frightened to say that Israel has a right to defend Jews.

And the baying mob outside Parliament are demanding jihad.

*I agree well said Urmstongran👍*

Oooh! Are you another one who doesn't like Muslims?

GrannyGravy13

Letter to the Speaker from the Clerk of the House

Yes I saw that.

It was largely about procedure though, which Hoyle chose to ignore.

I do agree that the SNP’s motion should have been voted on first.

Sir Charles Walker, a senior Tory MP, adds: “I don’t know how we got to this point today. It does not reflect well on Parliament. His Majesty’s opposition... People are frightened. People have weaponised this debate in their chamber. Whips are frightened for their flocks because Members of Parliament now feel that they have to vote in a certain way to safeguard their safety and the safety of their family. This is a far bigger issue than the debate we’re having tonight.
“Because if people are changing their votes in this place, or changing their behaviours in this place because they’re frightened of what may happen to them or their families out there, then we have a real problem. So this point scoring off each other is not going to resolve any issues.””

PS. Israel has a right to defend ALL of its citizens, not all of whom are Jews.

Urmstongran

What on earth does it say about the state of law and order in this country when a vote has to be rigged in Parliament to try to protect MPs from attack by their constituents?

The Islamist influence on UK politics.

You are treading a fine line

20:14Urmstongran

Bercow was a remainer, he lost his impartiality when the brexit vote happened, Hoyle is a labour man, he lost his impartiality today trying to defend his party from schism. We urgently need MPs who are not intimidated by Islam, and not frightened to say that Israel has a right to defend Jews.

And the baying mob outside Parliament are demanding jihad.

I agree well said Urmstongran👍

Urmstongran

What on earth does it say about the state of law and order in this country when a vote has to be rigged in Parliament to try to protect MPs from attack by their constituents?

The Islamist influence on UK politics.

Islamists PLUS anybody concerned about humanity!

Why don't you just be honest and say you don't like Muslims?

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Letter to the Speaker from the Clerk of the House

We have a parliament falling apart, I not think idiots like Farage should be allowed to exploit the situation.

Entitled to demonstrate at an MP’s home

What on earth does it say about the state of law and order in this country when a vote has to be rigged in Parliament to try to protect MPs from attack by their constituents?

The Islamist influence on UK politics.

Urmstongran

Bercow was a remainer, he lost his impartiality when the brexit vote happened, Hoyle is a labour man, he lost his impartiality today trying to defend his party from schism. We urgently need MPs who are not intimidated by Islam, and not frightened to say that Israel has a right to defend Jews.

And the baying mob outside Parliament are demanding jihad.

You aren’t outlining what happened

Hoyle explained that he decided to let all amendments go ahead in order to protect MPs

I haven’t a clue what he meant by that - but that is what he said.

urms I think it would be much better if you didn’t make this a row about something that isn’t true.

The MPs are not intimated by the Palestinian side of the argument, neither are any of them frightened to say that Israel has a right to defend itself. That was crystal clear from the debate today.

Urmstongran

Hoyle got it badly wrong but I can understand his intention of trying to help MPs with large Muslim constituencies because they have been threatened. The question is how have we got to this stage? Why have let Muslims and their intimidatory way of politics have influence in what goes on in our parliament? They are threatening and showing a lot of hostility to democratically elected MPs. They have made them fearful for their safety and for that of their families. We need to start looking at the immigration status of people who behave this way and send them packing to their own countries. This is just not acceptable.

I agree with Farage. Sectarianism is raising its ugly head.

And why did the SNP choose this particular topic to debate? Beggars belief with all that needs addressing north of the border that they chose this subject. They will have known how divisive the topic is. Where they just throwing in a verbal hand grenade. And really - to what bluddy purpose? Posturing in its least attractive form as it’s not as though Israel or Hamas will take any notice - no matter what was voted for.

Oh dear I hope everyone will condemn the level of racism in this post.
Many Muslims are British born. They are as entitled as any other citizen to lobby their MP.

Bercow was a remainer, he lost his impartiality when the brexit vote happened, Hoyle is a labour man, he lost his impartiality today trying to defend his party from schism. We urgently need MPs who are not intimidated by Islam, and not frightened to say that Israel has a right to defend Jews.

And the baying mob outside Parliament are demanding jihad.

Nicenanny3

Philip Davies, a Tory MP, cited claimed by a BBC journalist that Sir Lindsay Hoyle had been “put under intolerable pressure” to accept the Labour amendment to the SNP motion by senior party figures. (The Telegraph)

*Well who is the most senior member of the Labour Party their leader Starmer, oh dear indeed*

That is exactly what I think needs answering.

The deputy speaker said it didn’t happen, and told Philip Davies it was not true and that he should withdraw the claim.
The speaker said it didn’t happen and the labour spokesperson said it didn’t happen.

Germanshepherdsmum

The Speaker needs to go. He has shown that he isn’t up to the job. However, whatever vote had been cast it wouldn’t have made one iota of difference to the situation between Israel and Gaza.

Almost 100% of MPs who stood in the debate agreed for an immediate ceasefire. Many recognised what you said gsm but felt that the U.K. needed to make its position clear alongside the countries of the commonwealth, Europe etc. They hope that pressure to at the very least not to bring carnage to Rafah is avoided. Every single one recognised the vile things carried out by Hamas, but every single one think too many people have lost their lives.

We heard some heartbreaking information from MPs that had visited the area - not Gaza of course - Israel won’t allow anyone including journalists in.

Philip Davies, a Tory MP, cited claimed by a BBC journalist that Sir Lindsay Hoyle had been “put under intolerable pressure” to accept the Labour amendment to the SNP motion by senior party figures. (The Telegraph)

Well who is the most senior member of the Labour Party their leader Starmer, oh dear indeed

Whitewavemark2

My “oh dear” was for urmspost and bringing Farage into it.

I agree with him though Whitewave. Lines are being drawn. It is sectarianism raising its ugly head. Witness the demo outside that MP’s home on the Isle of Wight (I forget his name). This could all get very nasty, very quickly I think.

The Speaker, Deputy Speaker, Labour Party have denied there
was pressure on the Speaker

I think he will have to go.

My “oh dear” was for urmspost and bringing Farage into it.

Oh dear

The Speaker needs to go. He has shown that he isn’t up to the job. However, whatever vote had been cast it wouldn’t have made one iota of difference to the situation between Israel and Gaza.

Hoyle got it badly wrong but I can understand his intention of trying to help MPs with large Muslim constituencies because they have been threatened. The question is how have we got to this stage? Why have let Muslims and their intimidatory way of politics have influence in what goes on in our parliament? They are threatening and showing a lot of hostility to democratically elected MPs. They have made them fearful for their safety and for that of their families. We need to start looking at the immigration status of people who behave this way and send them packing to their own countries. This is just not acceptable.

I agree with Farage. Sectarianism is raising its ugly head.

And why did the SNP choose this particular topic to debate? Beggars belief with all that needs addressing north of the border that they chose this subject. They will have known how divisive the topic is. Where they just throwing in a verbal hand grenade. And really - to what bluddy purpose? Posturing in its least attractive form as it’s not as though Israel or Hamas will take any notice - no matter what was voted for.

Smileless2012

Do you think he's trying to play both ends against the middle Whitewavemark?

What I think is that Starmer was very keen to avoid his MPs voting for the SNP motion and rebelling.

He put in an amendment, which added stuff like the hostage release, two state solution as well as an immediate humanitarian ceasefire.

Now, the suggestion is that he pressured Hoyle to ensure that he chose the labour amendment.

This is what I’m very uncomfortable about.