Shemima Begum.

14:43Primrose53

Haha 😊

The only reason she wants to come back to the UK now is that ISIS lost and it’s no fun sitting in a tent in the middle of a desert.

maddyone

Although to be fair, I don’t think there were any jihadi brides to join in with when I was a teenager.
I made some terrible choices as a teenager but also some good ones.

Oh, yes, I was keen to go off to work as an au pair in Germany, a friend and I having met a group of German exchange students. Their leader interviewed us but friend's parents refused to allow her to go, citing the white slave trade. I didn't want to go without her. We were 17 at the time.

Having thought about it.Isn,t this country often a bit too lenient? How many criminals and terrorists have been allowed to enter the country either legally or illegally and have gone on to commit acts of terrorism and/or murder.Then they are(if caught)sent to prison and kept at our expense for years! A bit off piste but no,keep SB out!

And I’ve watched my children make a few too but thankfully none of them wanted to get married at fifteen to anyone, let alone a terrorist.

Although to be fair, I don’t think there were any jihadi brides to join in with when I was a teenager.
I made some terrible choices as a teenager but also some good ones.

Nicenanny3

11:17Luckygirl3

This young woman made some very bad choices as a teenager - as indeed do many of us - and is paying a high price.

*That's an understatement, bad choices made as a teenager ha, well I don't think I ever thought of joining a terrorist group, did you? *

Yes, I made a few and watched 😲 as my DGC have made one or two but you're right! Joining a terrorist group, wanting to be a jihadi bride to an unknown man at 15?
That is extreme.

Nannashirlz

MF5 saw something that none of us will ever see. From my understanding it was from their advice she was stopped. Anyone a danger to our country should be removed or blocked. I don’t think we should be paying for her court fees at present 8 million of tax payers money. Has my gran used to say you make your bed you lie in it. So for you saying we should let her back as she was 15 does that mean anyone 15 who kills etc should be allowed free after all they only 15. You know the difference between right and wrong at her age so no we should shut the door on her

Totally agree! Old enough to know right from wrong at 15!

It’s interesting that apparently many other people were allowed to re enter the UK after ISIS collapsed, and I do recall seeing something about this on news programmes at the time. However that piece of information only makes me wonder what the security services know about this woman that means they won’t allow her to return to Britain.

So for you saying we should let her back as she was 15 does that mean anyone 15 who kills etc should be allowed free after all they only 15. You know the difference between right and wrong at her age so no we should shut the door on her
I'm not saying to let her back, but yes, I would say that anyone aged 15 who kills should be rehabilitated if possible and freed if the rehabilitation is successful. 15 year olds are children, and as such are not able to make life-changing decisions with maturity. That is why they are treated differently under law, and not allowed to do things that adults do.

As for 'the difference between right and wrong', even most adults would agree that that is almost always debatable.

11:17Luckygirl3

This young woman made some very bad choices as a teenager - as indeed do many of us - and is paying a high price.

That's an understatement, bad choices made as a teenager ha, well I don't think I ever thought of joining a terrorist group, did you?

Foxie sorry for being unclear. I wasn’t calling your assessment ill informed

MF5 saw something that none of us will ever see. From my understanding it was from their advice she was stopped. Anyone a danger to our country should be removed or blocked. I don’t think we should be paying for her court fees at present 8 million of tax payers money. Has my gran used to say you make your bed you lie in it. So for you saying we should let her back as she was 15 does that mean anyone 15 who kills etc should be allowed free after all they only 15. You know the difference between right and wrong at her age so no we should shut the door on her

nahsma

For WIW, according to Hansard, more than 350 fighting-age men who went to Syria and joined ISIS have come back to the UK. It's hard to understand why men can come home but women can't. hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-03-18/debates/42259394-C90B-4670-BFC9-A5F91518A5FF/ISISMembersReturningToTheUK#:~:text=About%2020%25%20of%20those%20900,and%20Syria%20and%20since%20returned.

This article is over five years old but interesting:

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/23/number-of-women-and-children-joining-isis-significantly-underestimated

For WIW, according to Hansard, more than 350 fighting-age men who went to Syria and joined ISIS have come back to the UK. It's hard to understand why men can come home but women can't. hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-03-18/debates/42259394-C90B-4670-BFC9-A5F91518A5FF/ISISMembersReturningToTheUK#:~:text=About%2020%25%20of%20those%20900,and%20Syria%20and%20since%20returned.

Calendargirl

^I don’t care about the cost^

Well, I do, and suspect many others do too.

Which is fair enough. I wasn't saying that anyone shouldn't have their own opinion, just that in mine justice should not be based on ability to pay.

This young woman made some very bad choices as a teenager - as indeed do many of us - and is paying a high price.

I have to assume that the powers that be have serious reasons to believe that she might constitute a threat, presumably because of the potential influence on her of terrorists. It is a very sad situation.

I do too Calendargirl this is a money tress for those being paid to represent her.

I don’t care about the cost

Well, I do, and suspect many others do too.

They did come from Bangladesh Maremia.

For avoidance of doubt, I am not blaming her for being emotionless - I am saying that her lack of emotion makes her seem uncaring, and that this in itself shouldn't be held against her.

I haven't read all the posts, but someone upthread said the parents have gone back to Pakistan. I thought they came from Bangladesh.

Putting other considerations aside for a moment, after listening to the BBC sounds podcast I Am Not A Monster I started to think of what she has experienced as a woman. She gave birth to three babies with who knows what medical care or emotional support. She saw them all die, two from starvation after the fall of the caliphate,if her husband is to be believed. She does that televised interview days after giving birth. No wonder she comes across as emotionless. She is already being very well punished for her decisions and if she does return to the UK she will live the life of a pariah with endless press intrusion. I can't see there being a positive outcome for her anywhere.

If you look at the sentencing guidelines I posted upthread you will see that she is singularly unlikely to be given the maximum sentence due to mitigating factors. Whilst imprisoned she would be unable to be ‘active’. The information the security forces have about her will not be disclosed in open court. This legislation is insufficient to ensure our safety from this woman.

Germanshepherdsmum

Glorianny

If she was returned to the UK and still presented a threat she could surely be held under the Terrorism Investigation and Prevention Act in a place of safety until such time as the secretary of State recognised she presented no threat.

I suggest you read the Act. It doesn’t enable indefinite imprisonment without trial.

I've read it. She could be held for a period of time- up to two years. That could be reviewed and extended if she was still a threat. By which time the security forces could have gathered enough evidence if she was actually active for a charge to be brought. She would not (as you have claimed) be free to walk the streets if there was a threat. Any involvement in terrorism would be revealed.
Of course she still presents a threat to the Intelligence services who were involved in the trafficking of children to Isis.