Shemima Begum.

Within the same country ethnic diversity means different experiences (benefits/threats). I was raised in a religion different to one parent and their family, their families lives and mine were a world apart despite living in the same country.

She lived in UK. Same country as you.

Nicenanny3

11:17Luckygirl3

This young woman made some very bad choices as a teenager - as indeed do many of us - and is paying a high price.

*That's an understatement, bad choices made as a teenager ha, well I don't think I ever thought of joining a terrorist group, did you? *

I did not - but I was brought up in a completely different culture.

petra

Cossy
Where is the evidence of all these young men coming back to the uk? If they had it would have been under the radar.
I do know that 2 members of a group who were known as the Beatle's were handed over to the USA.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2019-03-18/debates/42259394-C90B-4670-BFC9-A5F91518A5FF/ISISMembersReturningToTheUK

c400 at the time of this record. Google for more up to date records

SueBdoo70

I seem to remember that SB was married to a Muslim originally from the Netherlands. Does anyone know if they are still married? They had 3 children who all died, did he die fighting ? Or is he still alive ? I’ve never heard anything about him for years. The reason I mention this is because under Islamic law the husband’s nationality and religion will always supersede his wife’s.

Her husband is Dutch and in a Syrian prison. Islamic law isn't relevant.

Cossy
Where is the evidence of all these young men coming back to the uk? If they had it would have been under the radar.
I do know that 2 members of a group who were known as the Beatle's were handed over to the USA.

Callistemon21

Germanshepherdsmum

He is dead SueBdoo.

I think he is being held in prison in Syria after being captured by the Kurds.

yes that's the most upto date info I found as well..

Parsley3

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/shamima-begum-friends-amira-abase-kadiza-sultana-syria-b1022023.html#:~:text=Shamima%20Begum's%20friends%3A%20what%20happened%20to%20Amira%20Abase%20and%20Kadiza%20Sultana%3F&text=Shamima%20Begum%20has%20lost%20her,to%20protect%20national%20security.

Cossy The two girls who went with Begum are dead according to this article.

They haven't been confirmed dead

Cossy

Just out of interest, obviously this young woman made some appalling choices, she and her friends were clearly groomed and radicalised, but has SB actually committed any crimes, other than by association? She’s clearly a very damaged young woman and completely desensitised to atrocities, but this is hardly a surprise.

Does anyone know what happened to the other two young women? Or why many males who went to fight on the side of ISIS have arrived back in the UK with their citizenship intact?

The whole SB story is as tragic as it is appalling and shocking!

Or why many males who went to fight on the side of ISIS have arrived back in the UK with their citizenship intact?
Presumably because they only had British citizenship.

has SB actually committed any crimes
She joined a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Germanshepherdsmum

He is dead SueBdoo.

I think he is being held in prison in Syria after being captured by the Kurds.

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/shamima-begum-friends-amira-abase-kadiza-sultana-syria-b1022023.html#:~:text=Shamima%20Begum's%20friends%3A%20what%20happened%20to%20Amira%20Abase%20and%20Kadiza%20Sultana%3F&text=Shamima%20Begum%20has%20lost%20her,to%20protect%20national%20security.

Cossy The two girls who went with Begum are dead according to this article.

SueBdoo

I seem to remember reading that the Dutch authorities refused to allow her entry to The Netherlands.

Just out of interest, obviously this young woman made some appalling choices, she and her friends were clearly groomed and radicalised, but has SB actually committed any crimes, other than by association? She’s clearly a very damaged young woman and completely desensitised to atrocities, but this is hardly a surprise.

Does anyone know what happened to the other two young women? Or why many males who went to fight on the side of ISIS have arrived back in the UK with their citizenship intact?

The whole SB story is as tragic as it is appalling and shocking!

He is dead SueBdoo.

I have explained to you why the legislation is inadequate for this case. I have posted the sentencing guidelines, which indicate that she would receive only a short sentence. She would then be free because she won’t be active whilst in custody, and by the time evidence of post-release terrorist activity is discovered an act of terrorism may have occurred. I am not going to debate this further with you.

I seem to remember that SB was married to a Muslim originally from the Netherlands. Does anyone know if they are still married? They had 3 children who all died, did he die fighting ? Or is he still alive ? I’ve never heard anything about him for years. The reason I mention this is because under Islamic law the husband’s nationality and religion will always supersede his wife’s.

Germanshepherdsmum

The legislation does not cover adequately a situation such as this. SB has not undertaken terrorist activities in the UK as far as we know, and the difficulty in obtaining satisfactory evidence of what she did abroad is obvious. Relevant sensitive information does have to be disclosed but that happens in camera, not in open court, and requires the use of special counsel.

Of course it does but you have said she will be walking the streets, As I pointed out she could be held and any activity monitored and a case brought against her for any activity in the UK. Should she be active, which is doubtful.

The legislation does not cover adequately a situation such as this. SB has not undertaken terrorist activities in the UK as far as we know, and the difficulty in obtaining satisfactory evidence of what she did abroad is obvious. Relevant sensitive information does have to be disclosed but that happens in camera, not in open court, and requires the use of special counsel.

maddyone

I think what was meant was that girls as young as fifteen, and younger, were married by ISIS terrorists.

Ah, ok, but I still don't understand the point being made.

Germanshepherdsmum

If you look at the sentencing guidelines I posted upthread you will see that she is singularly unlikely to be given the maximum sentence due to mitigating factors. Whilst imprisoned she would be unable to be ‘active’. The information the security forces have about her will not be disclosed in open court. This legislation is insufficient to ensure our safety from this woman.

I'm sure you are very aware that any information of a sensitive nature does not need to be disclosed in open court but can be withheld if a matter of national security is involved. The legislation covers terrorism and terrorist activities adequately. Of course information she might reveal about the trafficking process the involvement of the Canadian intelligence services and their links with the UK might be a problem.

I think what was meant was that girls as young as fifteen, and younger, were married by ISIS terrorists.

Anniebach

A girl age 15 can be sentenced to life imprisonment so a girl
of 15 who makes a choice to marry ?

I'm not sure I understand your post, Anniebach.

Nobody can marry at 15 in the UK.

Callistemon
Re being an au pair at 17, my daughter was at school in the sixth form alongside a boy who lived in Lebanon (he was a boarder at her school although she was a day pupil) and he invited her to his home for one of the school holidays. Trying to explain to her why we would not allow her to go to Lebanon on holiday at seventeen years old was difficult, but no way would we ever have allowed her to go.

A girl age 15 can be sentenced to life imprisonment so a girl
of 15 who makes a choice to marry ?

Primrose53

The only reason she wants to come back to the UK now is that ISIS lost and it’s no fun sitting in a tent in the middle of a desert.

Oh, I haven't seen that report. Has there been another interview with her where she's said this? Can you link to it please? Apart from the televised interviews with SB I've only seen speculation from journalists who are guessing, presumably based on how their own minds work, so it would be good to read something based on fact.