Islamaphobia is getting out of control

But if you think there are substantial numbers of Londoners in central London on a Saturday you know very little about London.
Until very recently I was a zone 4 London inhabitant. DH and I both worked in Zones 2 and 3.
Of course we went into Central London, Zone 1, most weekends to meet up with friends, to shop, to go to shows, to eat in restaurants etc. That's what every Londoner I know does. For our kids Central London was their playground, and they would hop up there on the Central Line every Saturday and Sunday. We would check first for both engineering works and protests in London on a regular basis because both caused disruption to plans.

Nannashirlz

I wish the media channels would show Lee interview fully and not stop at khan who few weeks ago was slating white ppl or burning trump nothing was said about that like or not the man. You all jumping on the bandwagon and Lee gets my support he says whatever else is saying. Instead of being a Hama follower be a British follower and support our country these marches are stopped in every country but ours MPs are having bodyguards our country is changing in front of our very eyes and not in a good way. I’m a sheep 🐑

I have seen the whole interview. What difference would it make? Anderson doesn't speak for me.

What do you mean about being a British follower? Sadiq Khan was born in Tooting, so is British.

Also for Glorianny I am talking about all the disruptive protests London endures not just the pro Palestine marches.

I have first had knowledge of the grooming scandals reflected in the Three Girls drama.
The neglect of children in our CJS and within many agencies is more significant in Rochdale and nearby towns, than the ethnicity of the abusers.
Girls of 11, many from neglectful or abusive backgrounds were widely seen by some as making life style choices. That’s the major scandal. My experience was the difficulty engaging these children or their parents/carers was key in preventing prosecution for so long rather than fear of being accused of racism

Glorianny I notice you didn't answer about living in London. So I take it you don't and the disruption you imagine is just that, imaginary.
But if you think there are substantial numbers of Londoners in central London on a Saturday you know very little about London.

Ah, some misunderstandings here. I took your "I don't. I have" to be addressing my first two points ie you don't live in London, you have campaigned for protests to be relocated to your area. I didn't understand that "do you" was asking if I live in London. As I have frequently said I live in London, have done all my life, I thought you were asking if I campaign to get the protests moved elsewhere. I would think my knowledge of London and the reality of these disruptions will be rather more extensive and current than yours. I've suffered the disruptions in person not viewed them on a TV screen.

Nannashirl z, Anderson may speak for you but he does not speak for me, or the majority of posters here. He’s an ignorant racist bigot

Nannashirlz

I wish the media channels would show Lee interview fully and not stop at khan who few weeks ago was slating white ppl or burning trump nothing was said about that like or not the man. You all jumping on the bandwagon and Lee gets my support he says whatever else is saying. Instead of being a Hama follower be a British follower and support our country these marches are stopped in every country but ours MPs are having bodyguards our country is changing in front of our very eyes and not in a good way. I’m a sheep 🐑

I’m clearly not a sheep, nor am I a Hamas follower (whatever that means). Anyone of us can look up the entire speech, it makes no difference, he shouldn’t have send what he did about Khan in any context! He isn’t saying what “the rest of us” are thinking or saying!

Rosie51

Glorianny

Rosie51

You don't live in London do you Glorianny? Perhaps you should campaign for the protestors to gather near your home area in their thousands to boost your local economy. Does it really have to be London every time, thousands and thousands of marching people will attract media coverage wherever it happens? Coaches and trains run in areas outside London, moving the protests to other areas might stimulate more public transport in those vicinities.

I don't. I have.
Do you Rosie51
You might have noticed there is a large building there on the river Thames. It is where our government meets to make laws. If that process is ever devolved to the regions and we get a similar place I'll be delighted to welcome marchers.
Meantime I see no reason why an area largely composed of the empty houses of the very rich, hotels and museums shouldn't have marchers walk through.
And actually they wouldn't attract media attention in the regions because media coverage in those regions has been stripped to the bare minimum.

Do you really have to answer in such condescending tones? You have campaigned for these protests to take place near you despite you say there wouldn't be media attention? You'd like the disruption just for disruption's sake, how odd.
The lives of everyday Londoners being so frequently disrupted by these protests of whatever cause really doesn't count for anything with you does it? Absolutely a case of "I'm alright Jack"

I didn't say I'd campaigned for protests to take place near me.
I didn't say I like disruption for disruption's sake. I said the area is not one composed of small businesses and what is there would not suffer major disruption.

I notice you didn't answer about living in London. So I take it you don't and the disruption you imagine is just that, imaginary.
But if you think there are substantial numbers of Londoners in central London on a Saturday you know very little about London.

Nannashirlz

I wish the media channels would show Lee interview fully and not stop at khan who few weeks ago was slating white ppl or burning trump nothing was said about that like or not the man. You all jumping on the bandwagon and Lee gets my support he says whatever else is saying. Instead of being a Hama follower be a British follower and support our country these marches are stopped in every country but ours MPs are having bodyguards our country is changing in front of our very eyes and not in a good way. I’m a sheep 🐑

Not a sheep

I wish the media channels would show Lee interview fully and not stop at khan who few weeks ago was slating white ppl or burning trump nothing was said about that like or not the man. You all jumping on the bandwagon and Lee gets my support he says whatever else is saying. Instead of being a Hama follower be a British follower and support our country these marches are stopped in every country but ours MPs are having bodyguards our country is changing in front of our very eyes and not in a good way. I’m a sheep 🐑

Glorianny

Rosie51

You don't live in London do you Glorianny? Perhaps you should campaign for the protestors to gather near your home area in their thousands to boost your local economy. Does it really have to be London every time, thousands and thousands of marching people will attract media coverage wherever it happens? Coaches and trains run in areas outside London, moving the protests to other areas might stimulate more public transport in those vicinities.

I don't. I have.
Do you Rosie51
You might have noticed there is a large building there on the river Thames. It is where our government meets to make laws. If that process is ever devolved to the regions and we get a similar place I'll be delighted to welcome marchers.
Meantime I see no reason why an area largely composed of the empty houses of the very rich, hotels and museums shouldn't have marchers walk through.
And actually they wouldn't attract media attention in the regions because media coverage in those regions has been stripped to the bare minimum.

Do you really have to answer in such condescending tones? You have campaigned for these protests to take place near you despite you say there wouldn't be media attention? You'd like the disruption just for disruption's sake, how odd.
The lives of everyday Londoners being so frequently disrupted by these protests of whatever cause really doesn't count for anything with you does it? Absolutely a case of "I'm alright Jack"

Rosie51

You don't live in London do you Glorianny? Perhaps you should campaign for the protestors to gather near your home area in their thousands to boost your local economy. Does it really have to be London every time, thousands and thousands of marching people will attract media coverage wherever it happens? Coaches and trains run in areas outside London, moving the protests to other areas might stimulate more public transport in those vicinities.

I don't. I have.
Do you Rosie51
You might have noticed there is a large building there on the river Thames. It is where our government meets to make laws. If that process is ever devolved to the regions and we get a similar place I'll be delighted to welcome marchers.
Meantime I see no reason why an area largely composed of the empty houses of the very rich, hotels and museums shouldn't have marchers walk through.
And actually they wouldn't attract media attention in the regions because media coverage in those regions has been stripped to the bare minimum.

Whitewavemark2

Free speech anyone?

I agree with free speech.

I also agree that citizens of the U.K. should be able to go about their daily lives, without having roads blocked (by anyone) which hinders their journey into work, hospital or any other appointment.

Any large protest march can be intimidating to others.

Free speech anyone?

You don't live in London do you Glorianny? Perhaps you should campaign for the protestors to gather near your home area in their thousands to boost your local economy. Does it really have to be London every time, thousands and thousands of marching people will attract media coverage wherever it happens? Coaches and trains run in areas outside London, moving the protests to other areas might stimulate more public transport in those vicinities.

Glorianny. Have no idea what you are on about 🤷‍♀️

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations?
I'll counter you with this. Thousands of people descending on London at the weekend is in fact boosting the economy. Since Covid London has lost a substantial amount of trade. If you wanted a cheap hotel room weekends were best because weekdays were taken up by working Londoners who've moved out of town. The marchers buy coffees and eat lunches. Some of them stay the night. It is in fact an economic driver. There are also huge numbers of coaches and trains involved and service stations en route.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations

Can you please be more precise?

I. will if you can.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations?
I'll counter you with this. Thousands of people descending on London at the weekend is in fact boosting the economy. Since Covid London has lost a substantial amount of trade. If you wanted a cheap hotel room weekends were best because weekdays were taken up by working Londoners who've moved out of town. The marchers buy coffees and eat lunches. Some of them stay the night. It is in fact an economic driver. There are also huge numbers of coaches and trains involved and service stations en route.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations

Can you please be more precise?

GrannyGravy13

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Have you any evidence for any of those accusations?
I'll counter you with this. Thousands of people descending on London at the weekend is in fact boosting the economy. Since Covid London has lost a substantial amount of trade. If you wanted a cheap hotel room weekends were best because weekdays were taken up by working Londoners who've moved out of town. The marchers buy coffees and eat lunches. Some of them stay the night. It is in fact an economic driver. There are also huge numbers of coaches and trains involved and service stations en route.

I really do not give a damn who is marching or for what reason.

1,000’s of people marching through our capital city, blocking roads, along with Saturday nights blocking of Tower Bridge and setting off flares, is not something I want to be anywhere near. Whether it’s just DH and AC or any of the GC.

There has been a pro-Palestinian march in London every Saturday since Hamas’s deplorable actions on 7/10 and the subsequent retaliatory attacks by Israel.

How about a fraction of empathy/compassion for those living and/or working near these routes, shops and hospitality are no doubt losing money.

Callistemon21

I don't care what religion they are, they disrupt.

Go and shout at Speaker's Corner.

Anyone would think that you have just discovered that large scale protests can by noisy and disruptive. But they've been going on for decades... with varying degrees of sympathy from the general public.

You couldn't fit them all in Speakers' Corner...

The number of girls damaged from that abuse is huge, in the thousands across the country I’ve seen reported. As you say, it’s still going on and occasionally I see more gang members have been prosecuted. Paltry sentences are given out though.

Are you implying that all the perpetrators of 'grooming' are Asian, *maddyone?

Because, if you are, you are wrong

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096

I am pretty sure 99% of us here to like to see the end of all current wars, would support any peaceful protests and would believe our MPs, whatever their political allegiance and personal beliefs, should not make personal tweets or statements which the know will inflame hatred towards any specific groups of people.

We might have slightly different beliefs to each other, but I’ve not seen any one poster here supporting violence or terrorism. As I’m not really religious at all maybe it’s easier for me to remain slightly more neutral than others?

What a pity millions of people don’t feel more strongly about what’s happening in Ukraine too.

Thank you Petra I would be happy to donate to that organisation, I shall look up where to send donations . The number of girls damaged from that abuse is huge, in the thousands across the country I’ve seen reported. As you say, it’s still going on and occasionally I see more gang members have been prosecuted. Paltry sentences are given out though.

Perhaps there could be a march in protest about that. I don’t think so though, under privileged girls living in dysfunctional families and behaving badly, in our own communities, aren’t that important unfortunately.

^James O-Brien is certainly not a mysoginist! I think you are confusing him with someone else. Why on earth are you making some sort of group out of Frankie Boyle, Owen Jones and O'Brien? They are very different.

Try listening to his podcast, it is refreshing, calm and measured.^

I agree with you about James O’Brien HousePlantQueen. He is one of the only people in the media (radio) who speaks truth to power and holds them to account. I listen to his programme on LBC frequently - he is certainly not misogynist!