Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Being Jewish is a race, not a religion. There are many secular Jews. You are correct there is no gene for being a Jew, but it is still a race. People cannot stop being Jewish in the way that people can stop being Muslim or Christian.

Ilovecheese

Anna Soubry was jostled and shouted at by brexiteers. I don't remember the same outcry about that.

In the street.

Rachel Reeves was canvassing for the Labour Party, a group of women followed her demanding she speak to them, she was working, she asked if they were from her constituency, reply - ‘no, I am a Muslim, a tax payer , I live in this country’

Threats and attacks on politicians have become more commonplace as we all know as are gangs of protestors outside MPs private homes.

It is no wonder politicians don't want to engage with people shouting and demanding they speak to them in the street.

15:11growstuff

Yawn 🥱so predictable from you name calling other posters but heyho who cares 😊

Ilovecheese

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

Is the Jewish community that small? Or is it because the Jewish people don’t always want to let people know they are Jewish because they fear persecution and discrimination?

the figures are based on the last census.

There wasn't an actual question asking if people were Jewish. Only questions about religion.

But if people aren't practising Jews and don't self-identify as "cultural" Jews, so didn't tick the "Jewish" box, they're not Jews. They're human beings whose ancestors happened to believe in a certain religion. There's no such thing as a Jewish, Muslim or Christian gene.

Nicenanny3

14:44growstuff

Yawn 🥱

Quite agree! That's how I feel when I read ignorant, bigoted Islamophobic posts. I try to forget that such people who make them exist, so I try to ignore them.

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

Is the Jewish community that small? Or is it because the Jewish people don’t always want to let people know they are Jewish because they fear persecution and discrimination?

the figures are based on the last census.

There wasn't an actual question asking if people were Jewish. Only questions about religion.

14:44growstuff

Yawn 🥱

Nicenanny3

It's not the so called far right projecting obscene messages on the Elizabeth Tower condemning Jews is it however much some posters would wish it was. It's not the far right or the Jews it's people of the Muslim faith who are causing our MPs to be frightened to voice their opinions re Gaza incase they are subjected to intimidation or worse. Bombings, terror attacks, who mostly carry out these atrocities out in Britain I think most know the answer.

Who said it was the far right?

It's not the vast majority of Muslims either, but you wouldn't know it from the dog whistle Islamophobia from posts such as this.

It's not the so called far right projecting obscene messages on the Elizabeth Tower condemning Jews is it however much some posters would wish it was. It's not the far right or the Jews it's people of the Muslim faith who are causing our MPs to be frightened to voice their opinions re Gaza incase they are subjected to intimidation or worse. Bombings, terror attacks, who mostly carry out these atrocities out in Britain I think most know the answer.

Kandinsky

Question being avoided again.

“Muslim extremists can blow up innocent people and it’s almost overlooked, swept under the carpet. And I’ll never know why some people are doing that.”

Sorry to be so blunt, but your statement is utter nonsense! We ALL, condemn ANY extreme violence and killings carried out by ANY groups. We simply haven’t condemned ALL Muslims, as some on here seem keen to do. No one on Gransnet, to my knowledge, has ever applauded or ignored any terrorist activity.

Several incidents that have occurred in public bodies. A Jewish father had his baby daughter's birth certificate returned from the Home Office defaced and with the child's place of birth scrawled out.

Jewish employees within the BBC have stated they feel it's a grim and frightening place to be Jewish these days. Hardly surprising as former employee of the organisation, Dawn Queva, described Jews as "Nazi parasites" among other unbelievably racist tropes she put out on line before she was eventually sacked but not before time, it appeared she was doing this for a while. It would seem that there is a reluctance a general malaise even in the willingness to investigate such misdemeanours hoping that they will just slip under the radar, until quite rightly they are brought to the public's attention.

Vikram Dodd Police and crime correspondent writing in The Guardian in 2022.

In MI5’s London headquarters there is a top secret grid, on which is ranked the top terrorist plots absorbing the attention and resources of the security services and police.

While 15 years ago it was dominated by Islamist plotters, in recent years the most severe threats to the country’s national security feature people planning atrocities linked to extreme rightwing ideology.

Between March 2017 and March 2022, counter-terrorism police and the intelligence services have stopped 32 plots they assess as aiming to cause mass casualties on British soil. Of these they assess 18 were Islamist related, and 12 were triggered by extreme rightwing terrorist ideology. The other two were linked to category known as left, anarchist or single-issue terrorism (LASIT).

The last one to get through and kill was Darren Osborne, who drove a van into worshippers outside Finsbury Park mosque in north London in 2017, leaving one person dead … Osbourne read internet propaganda from Tommy Robinson, the founder of the English Defence League and material from Britain First, another extremist hate group.

In March 2022, assistant commissioner Matt Jukes, head of counter-terrorism, said that 19 out of 20 children who were arrested in the previous 12 months for terrorism offences were linked to an extreme rightwing ideology.

Those falling for rightwing hate and then breaking terrorism laws were younger than those falling for Islamist hate, with techniques including online content based on violent video games shaped to indoctrinate them.

Jukes said that 41% of counter-terrorism arrests in 2021 were of extreme right wing suspects.

Incidentally if you bother to research and Google, you’ll find plenty of examples of individuals and groups with the UK charged with far right action, hate crime and more serious crimes. We have issues in our country with the far right

Kandinsky

Question being avoided again.

Muslim extremists can blow up innocent people and it’s almost overlooked, swept under the carpet. And I’ll never know why some people are doing that.

Who is avoiding what question? Has anybody said they don’t condemn Islamic terrorism?

The Jewish community here where I live is large, and certainly not hidden away.
Strange, considering a programme was made to show that we are all a bunch of union Jack wearing, knuckle draggers.
It seems it would fit the narrative to say there is tension, bit there isn't.

Question being avoided again.

Muslim extremists can blow up innocent people and it’s almost overlooked, swept under the carpet. And I’ll never know why some people are doing that.

I cannot believe anyone here who states that there is no “far right thuggery”! Do you not watch the news ever? Have you not heard of Tommy Robinson or whatever he calls himself now? Britain First? Nothing makes terrorism right, nothing, whatever the reason, sadly though there will always be financial supporters of terrorists, the IRA and the USA are prime examples. The far right are a growing mass across Europe and the USA and are just as dangerous as any other group.

It’s awful, but the statement “one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist” still stands true.

I pray for peace worldwide, though I know this is unlikely!

No, not just one person, that was just one glaring example that I couldn’t understand how you had missed. Remember Finsbury Park mosque?
You can’t conflate Islamic extremism with the violence by the far left of the Labour Party either. Islamic extremists are the far right arm of their religion. The far left of the Labour Party (which is vocal but small in both numbers and influence) sympathise with some of their goals, but most Labour Party supporters don’t support violent action, as I’m sure most Tory supporters don’t either. Why are you turning this into a political battle anyway, two wrongs never make a right, do they?

MissAdventure

Being a muslim doesn't mean being a particular race, so how can it be racism?

There is only one race - the human race.

However, it's true that Muslims aren't one nationality.

I think the far right also drove into a crowd at a mosque killing one person and injuring others.
I think in recent years if you are talking deaths in the UK from the far right it is quite low. I think a number of plots have been intercepted, its possible they are really useless as well as immoral.
But from what I can see the numbers of deaths in this country are thankfully low.

Kandinsky

Casdon

So one person.

Can you now tell me how many people Muslim extremists have killed.

Can you tell me how many far-right thugs have been charged with hate crimes?

nanna8

Is the Jewish community that small? Or is it because the Jewish people don’t always want to let people know they are Jewish because they fear persecution and discrimination?

the figures are based on the last census.

Nicenanny3

11:59meddijess

Where is the far-right thuggery? All I see on the news is hordes of young Islamic men marching in London, hurling death threats at Jews and anybody else who doesn't agree with them. The police just stand and watch them.

*Precisely and do the so called far right thugs blow up hospitals and public places no they don't*

A reminder to you of Britain First's threats when Sadiq Khan was first elected as Mayor of London in 2016:

"The far-right group Britain First has threatened to target where Sadiq Khan “lives, works and prays” as part of their apparent organised action against British Muslim politicians.

In a press release, the “loyalist” group claim they specialise in direct action which they will use against Mr Khan.

The group's leader Paul Golding, who ran for Mayor of London and scored abysmally gaining 31,372 first preference votes compared to Mr Khan’s 1,148,716, has made his feelings clear about Mr Khan before, having been pictured with his back turned when the newly appointed Mayor gave his victory speech earlier this month.

In the release, Mr Golding says: “Britain First specialises in militant direct action and has tracked down and confronted numerous hate preachers and terrorists.

“Britain First now considers all Muslim elected officials as ‘occupiers’ and will start to oppose their strategy of entryism and take-over of our political system.”

Citing the apparent “intelligence” they receive, the group pledges to “focus on all aspects of their day-to-day lives and official functions, including where they live, work, pray and so on”.

The statement concludes by reminding readers of their “official” policy to ban Islam in the UK and say they will “not stop until all Islamist occupiers are driven out of politics completely”.

The group’s “direct action” has previously included “invading” a Halal meat factory, the Islamic Sharia Council in east London and bombarding their way through a mosque.
As well as Mr Khan, the group mentions fellow ‘targets’ Tory business minister Sajid Javid, the mayor of Oxford Mohammed Altaf-Khan, the mayor of Blackburn Hussain Akhtar and also Shafique Shah who they say is the mayor of Birmingham.

However, Mr Shah is not the mayor of Birmingham anymore. Ray Hassall is.

A representative for Mr Khan did not immediately respond to a request for comment."

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/sadiq-khan-britain-first-london-mayor-threaten-direct-action-a7047991.html

I mean, you don’t have to tell me because I know it’s a lot more than one, but it’s just interesting seeing how you try and avoid the question.

Casdon

So one person.

Can you now tell me how many people Muslim extremists have killed.