Islamaphobia is getting out of control

12:56Kandinsky

None but the left don't like to talk about that do they. It's the usual trope (far right or racist) they like to shout out to stop debate.

Kandinsky

*"I don't actually believe that the Islamists have got control of our country, but what I do believe is they've got control of Khan, and they've got control of London," Mr Anderson said*

Well this could be true. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.

Not sure how people can totally dismiss this statement - what 100% proof have you got that it’s not true?

Maybe we have family living in London who refute this inflammatory, untrue statement? Maybe we don't read the right wing red tops? Maybe we don't watch GB news?

Who killed Jo Cox Kandinsky?

How many people have the so called far-right killed in the UK in the last 20 years?
How many buses, trains, music venues ( full of young people ) have they blown up?

Glorianny Sat 24-Feb-24 12:20:22
Anniebach
Glorrianny do stop twisting things, Rachel Reeves was canvassing for the Labour Party, a group of women followed her demanding she speak to them, she was working, she asked if they were from her constituency, reply - ‘no, I am a Muslim,
a tax payer , I live in this country’ , Rachel tried to speak to them. They followed her until she had to get in her car,
I've watched the video. She didn't try to speak to them. She refused to answer their questions and walked away. She was followed but never threatened, One woman kept asking questions. None of the others participated. The question should be when did MPs become so afraid of answering a question in the street? Quite why couldn't Rachel Reeves answer? Was she afraid in case she said something out of step with the party line?

Others participated, standing silently around someone and following them and videoing them is not acceptable, yet it is for you.
MP’s, surely must be wary when accosted on a street following threats

11:59meddijess

Where is the far-right thuggery? All I see on the news is hordes of young Islamic men marching in London, hurling death threats at Jews and anybody else who doesn't agree with them. The police just stand and watch them.

Precisely and do the so called far right thugs blow up hospitals and public places no they don't

Anna Soubry was jostled and shouted at by brexiteers. I don't remember the same outcry about that.

Casdon

You are joking I presume. Have you forgotten the attempt to hijack the cenotaph on Armistice Day?
Extreme right is on the rise in the UK, as it is in the rest of Europe. This is worth a watch, from BBC
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx2AQKNpL5k
Alternatively just Google, there are plenty of far right acts taking place all the time.
I believe most people will condemn extremist acts wherever they are coming from, and I don’t get why you want to turn this into a left versus right argument?

Sorry, that was for meddijess and Kandinsky.

You are joking I presume. Have you forgotten the attempt to hijack the cenotaph on Armistice Day?
Extreme right is on the rise in the UK, as it is in the rest of Europe. This is worth a watch, from BBC
m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx2AQKNpL5k
Alternatively just Google, there are plenty of far right acts taking place all the time.
I believe most people will condemn extremist acts wherever they are coming from, and I don’t get why you want to turn this into a left versus right argument?

Being a muslim doesn't mean being a particular race, so how can it be racism?

Whitewavemark2

foxie48

I totally agree WWM.

With regard to Truss, I heard part of the interview that she gave in the US. She really has gone bonkers, some of the things she was saying beggars belief. It would be amusing except that she was actually our PM, albeit for a very short time. I wonder what those who voted for her think now, she has become worryingly odd, I'm actually concerned for her mental health.

She knows exactly what she is saying. She has aligned herself with characters like Steve Bannon, white supremicists and the proud boys.

An ex UK ( short lived) PM! I despair.

Where is the far-right thuggery? All I see on the news is hordes of young Islamic men marching in London, hurling death threats at Jews and anybody else who doesn't agree with them. The police just stand and watch them

You must know by now that ‘the far right’ is only white people ( or tories ) ditto they’re the only ones capable of any ‘thuggish’ behaviour.

Why the left aren’t taken seriously.

Anniebach

Glorrianny do stop twisting things, Rachel Reeves was canvassing for the Labour Party, a group of women followed her demanding she speak to them, she was working, she asked if they were from her constituency, reply - ‘no, I am a Muslim,
a tax payer , I live in this country’ , Rachel tried to speak to them. They followed her until she had to get in her car,

I've watched the video. She didn't try to speak to them. She refused to answer their questions and walked away. She was followed but never threatened, One woman kept asking questions. None of the others participated. The question should be when did MPs become so afraid of answering a question in the street? Quite why couldn't Rachel Reeves answer? Was she afraid in case she said something out of step with the party line?

never has been ongoing

I have recently read a book about the Arabic Jews of Iraq and from that book I have taken, two things, firstly Jewish communities, wherever they are, just want to live in peace and assimilate into the greater population. Secondly, given the book was written by a Jew, the Zionist vision isn't nice to say the least. Successive Israeli Zionist governments have been intransigent, racist and tunnel visioned and care not a jot for the people they have displaced, but that's what you get when governments of previous generations had no foresight in drawing lines in the sand in how such a state could be realised without massively disadvantaging another demographic. Now the world is left with that mess that even with The Wisdom of Solomon it would struggle with a conundrum that increasingly seems insoluble. Of course most people want a two state solution and an end to the bombing of Gaza, but neither can we allow the Jews to be eradicated for the umpteenth time.

The problem is, as stated by David Baddiel in his "Jews Don't Count" book, that the wider Jewish population is forever being conflated with the wrongs of successive Israeli administrations. Did, for example, this happen to the wider catholic community when the IRA were carrying out their bombing campaign in mainland England. As someone who was brought up in a catholic community where every man and his dog has some degree of Irishness, I don't think so!, were we ever asked to defend the IRA's stance? even if like most we may loosely believe in a united Ireland, I like many others regarded the IRA not as freedom fighters but a murdering bunch of bastards! I'm sure I'm not alone on this site when I say, I was always fearful of commuting up to London on a daily basis when their campaign was at its height.

The thing about the Jews is there numbers are relatively small which no doubt makes them feel pretty vulnerable given their history, a history of discrimination long before the State of Israel came into existence, their persecution has never been ongoing for centuries, it never friggin' ends it seems to me and for the most spurious of reasons, "you lot killed Jesus" "you control the world" "you're all rich" and other glaring misnomers.

The Islamaphobia thing is more nuanced, similarly to the Jewish population, there is a great disparity between the easily identifiable Orthodox and the non religious Jew who would not be easily identified as such. Muslims too come in many guises, they are not a homogeneous mass anymore than the Jews are, there would be a massive disconnect between the non religious and the more devout adherents. However, it's fair to say they have their firebrands amongst their midst, and whilst the Orthodox Jews are perceived as a closed, world apart community and therefore pretty irrelevant to wider society. Conversely there is an element of proselytising and hate speech from places of worship within the Muslim community that puts "smaller elements" of that religion and culture at odds with wider society. Look no further than France who are evangelical about the defence of French culture and take a far more draconian approach in admonishing cultural practices they feel are at odds with their beliefs.

Curtaintwitcher

Anniebach

My concern now is Labour members will be harassed when canvassing as Rachel Reeves was

I think Labour supporters should be concerned at the way Starmer has behaved. Muslims seem to think that the Labour party can't survive without their support. Starmer needs to concentrate on getting the support of the native British voters. How can we have confidence in a man who gives in to blackmail?

Starmer has consistently condemned rascism wherever it comes from Curtaintwitcher, and has sanctioned MPs and would be MPs when necessary, so I don’t understand what you mean, can you explain yourself further?

Where is the far-right thuggery? All I see on the news is hordes of young Islamic men marching in London, hurling death threats at Jews and anybody else who doesn't agree with them. The police just stand and watch them.

Anniebach

My concern now is Labour members will be harassed when canvassing as Rachel Reeves was

I think Labour supporters should be concerned at the way Starmer has behaved. Muslims seem to think that the Labour party can't survive without their support. Starmer needs to concentrate on getting the support of the native British voters. How can we have confidence in a man who gives in to blackmail?

foxie48

I totally agree WWM.

With regard to Truss, I heard part of the interview that she gave in the US. She really has gone bonkers, some of the things she was saying beggars belief. It would be amusing except that she was actually our PM, albeit for a very short time. I wonder what those who voted for her think now, she has become worryingly odd, I'm actually concerned for her mental health.

She knows exactly what she is saying. She has aligned herself with characters like Steve Bannon, white supremicists and the proud boys.

Anniebach

My concern now is Labour members will be harassed when canvassing as Rachel Reeves was

I’ll let you know😊

I totally agree WWM.

With regard to Truss, I heard part of the interview that she gave in the US. She really has gone bonkers, some of the things she was saying beggars belief. It would be amusing except that she was actually our PM, albeit for a very short time. I wonder what those who voted for her think now, she has become worryingly odd, I'm actually concerned for her mental health.

My concern now is Labour members will be harassed when canvassing as Rachel Reeves was

gg13 my concern is that the words and the framework that these radical far right members of parliament are using has a massive influence and that there is no question that this extremist comment is percolating down to the pub.

So what you are seeing and are concerned about starts at the top in parliament, in editorials and on influencers on social media.

That is my concern..

It will never stop unless there is a strong lead from the top.

Cossy

“As far as Islam goes I think the most shocking thing is the way all Muslims are generally grouped together. With people saying "Muslims do this" or ""Muslims threaten an MP" when in fact a small group of women met an MP, and one of them pursued her, asking questions. I can't think of any other group who would be spoken of in such a way. Not Jewish women, not black women, not Christian women. That's the real problem with racism, the insidious way it creeps in and statements are accepted. So people become secondary to the group they are considered to belong to.
Any MP of any party attributing such behaviour to any group of people should be deselected and if the party doesn't do it, their constituents should think very hard about voting for them again.”

I could not agree more Glorianny 😊

I agree too.

I hope now that those in power will think twice before appointing any more muslims into public office.

Just replace the word 'muslims' with 'jews', and see how offensive and discriminatory that sounds!

Being concerned about 1,000’s of people marching through our capital city in support of Palestinians week after week.

Being concerned that some MP’s and even local councillors are worried about their safety due to Islamic extremists.

Being concerned about Jewish school children being told to cover up their school uniform, along with boys being advised not to wear the kippah to and from school.

Being concerned about the need for extra security outside synagogues and schools.

Being concerned about attacks on Jewish businesses and the rise in antisemitic graffiti and rhetoric.

Being concerned that in some mosques there are Imams preaching anti western propaganda.

Being concerned that there is still a teacher in hiding along with his family due to death threats from Islamic parents.

Being concerned about all of the above is not

a dam that is sure to burst with all the hate of the U.K.

nor is it Islamophobia it is just being concerned about what is happening here and in many other countries in Europe.