Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Why are people saying Muslims and Islamists as though interchangeable? Even Anderson makes a distinction.

After various tory MPs have been feeding Islamophobia with little or no comeback from their leader I find his speech a bit weird.

I trust that 'police action' in respect of demos doesn't escalate, for reasons I've given somewhere recently (can't remember which thread). Unless Sunak is actively wanting riots to 'prove' he's right...

maddyone

^these are dangerous times^

Yes, unfortunately I think they are.

Yes, dangerous enough for Rishi to recognise what is bubbling up and to make a direct speech.
(Though the content is being discussed on another thread). The PM obviously isn't blind to information from the security forces.

these are dangerous times

Yes, unfortunately I think they are.

When hatred is controlled, the controller is always a terrifying force. It worries me that it is being harnessed again. We need to be vigilant about ensuring that nobody takes control of the surge of ill-feeling groups of fellow citizens. These are dangerous times in so many ways.

Was Islamophobia (and anti-Semitism) ever in control?

Sorry link
religionnews.com/2023/02/16/we-cannot-walk-with-you-unless-you-repent-african-archbishops-tell-church-of-england/

The Anglican church in Africa has condemned the decision and still considers homosexuality a sin.https://religionnews.com/2023/02/16/we-cannot-walk-with-you-unless-you-repent-african-archbishops-tell-church-of-england/
It's a huge mistake to think all Christians are enlightened and all muslims are not. Both religions have extremist branches.

Callstemon I stuck to the CofE, as part of the Anglican communion, because I was responding to a comment about it, and it holds a unique position in the UK. I do think a very interesting, nuanced (and threadjacking) conversation could be had around things like how different denominations within the same religion come to different doctrinal positions on a range of social issues; to what extent, if at all, an organisation which helps determine the law via its role in Parliament should be excused from implementing it (or, of course, should a body which has certain moral positions be involved in passing legislation); is discrimination on religious grounds acceptable, and why; and lots more.

Siope

Anniebach

The Anglican Church is not bigoted

In the UK. does it allow gay marriage in its churches? No. Was the proposal at Synod last November to allow standalone blessings for gay marriages carried with a sweeping majority? No (in fact it was passed by just one vote). Was there an almighty row about allowing blessings for gay marriage as part of existing services? Of course there was. Did the CofE formally apologise to gay people last year for its homophobia, and write that its proposals to permit blessings for gay civil-partnerships were divisive, and upsetting to some clergy? Yes it did. Does it still require gay clergy, even those who are legally married, to be celibate? Yes it does.

There are many other examples of entrenched and institutionalised homophobia and sexism from the wider Anglican Church.

I suppose the problem lies with the definition of marriage in many religions, not just Christianity. The whole concept definition and meaning of the word marriage as defined in the marriage service in these religions would have to be changed. If it is believed that marriage is as defined by God (whichever God that is) then that would be a huge hurdle to overcome.

Non-religious marriages ceremonies are available to all.

Anniebach

The Anglican Church is not bigoted

In the UK. does it allow gay marriage in its churches? No. Was the proposal at Synod last November to allow standalone blessings for gay marriages carried with a sweeping majority? No (in fact it was passed by just one vote). Was there an almighty row about allowing blessings for gay marriage as part of existing services? Of course there was. Did the CofE formally apologise to gay people last year for its homophobia, and write that its proposals to permit blessings for gay civil-partnerships were divisive, and upsetting to some clergy? Yes it did. Does it still require gay clergy, even those who are legally married, to be celibate? Yes it does.

There are many other examples of entrenched and institutionalised homophobia and sexism from the wider Anglican Church.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

The Anglican Church is not bigoted

I suspect that all of us can be described as bigots over our opinion on something.

Attitude by a chap.

The evangelical church in the uk are similarly bigoted, judging by the attitude to a chap who attended this church that I worked with.

Iam64

I’m not convinced comparing oppression in the C or E with that in the discrimination sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings
I can see comparisons between some evangelical groups especially I the U S but the Church of England no

That's why I queried the statement

I'm sure the many Bishops in the C of E are all agog.
I'm sure the many women Bishops in the C of E are all agog.

SeaWoozle

Galaxy
I am also opposed to the discrimination that is sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings

And the CofE, no less.

Would you like to elaborate please, SeaWoozle?

I'm sure the many Bishops in the C of E are all agog.
As are all the gay and lesbians priests in the C of E.

Did you mean evangelical churches like those in the USA?

Galaxy

Sorry growstuff I follow talk guidelines that's the only direction I take on GN about how and where to post.

So do I, which is why I was surprised at some of the accusations being made.

I’m not convinced comparing oppression in the C or E with that in the discrimination sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings
I can see comparisons between some evangelical groups especially I the U S but the Church of England no

Do you really think the comparison you made is fair seawoozle?
Just asking, as I can't think of any equivalent cases.

Galaxy
I am also opposed to the discrimination that is sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings

And the CofE, no less.

It is very important for us to be able to criticise aspects of all religions, I am actually opposed to circumcision of children for example and am perfectly comfortable to state that, I am also opposed to the discrimination that is sometimes inflicted on women and gay people in some Islamic teachings.