Islamaphobia is getting out of control

Joseann that’s a valid point relating to the current regular pro Palestinian, anti Israeli marches imo. Particularly when some marchers cover their faces. I expected i might be photographed at Greenham or on other marches. Where’s the problem

I think any large group of people - marching, chanting, shouting, or whatever - can be a bit disconcerting, especially in confined spaces. The thing about London, as with other major cities, is that it has always been a prime location for terrorist attacks. I am not afraid in London when there are marches, but I do feel somehow less confident pushing my way through marchers to get past. Occasionally when the alarm went off in a tube station, or when the bomb curtain was dropped at Westfield, or when a knife was thrown on the platform from a bridge in Leyton, I would gulp and freeze for a second. But I don't remember that at that moment I instantly associated the danger with Islam, although sadly a lot of the attacks turned out indeed to be related to that cause. I guess it's difficult to separate the two in my mind.

I've been on hundreds of marches in almost 6 decades and have never seen trouble at any of them.The independence marches are like parties ,singing,dancing in the streets bands from all cultures usually a pipe on and a bangra drum group and just folk who are all like minded getting together to show support for our cause.Am I sorry if it offends anyone...not a bit our opinions are dismissed and ignored every day of every year by the Unionist parties,its good to be heard for a change

What size majority

I’ve not been on a March since the Not in my Name opposition to the invasion of Iraq. That march ( we went to Glasgow rather than London) was like every other I’ve joined, peaceful and full of people from different countries, view points but joined together in shared concern.
I’ve no reason to believe the majority on our marches on the war in Gaza are any different than we were

Three say no problem so must be true !

maddyone

I’m pleased your trip went smoothly Monica, but I feel there are no guarantees. I’ve seen footage of unpleasant scenes even on the underground. I’ve booked Lion King in the Easter holidays for my grandson during the week.

The trouble with viewing footage or media is that it’s possible to highly edit it and scaremonger or use it to fit an agenda.

Hope you and your DGS really enjoy your trip and the theatre.

Our 9 year old GS regularly visits London with his parents, both of whom work in different locations in London, and are always safe and sound, as are both my sons who visit in a regular basis for both work and leisure.

M0nica

maddyone DD and I went up to London last weekend. First we went to the exhibition at the Museum of London (Docklands) Fashion City - How Jewish Londoners shaped global style A great exhibition showing how the Jewish immigrants to London in the 19th and early 20th century, were behind nearly all the big companies in fashion from the 1930s onwards, then we went on to the V&A to see the Chanel exhibition, fantastic.

We didn't even see any graffiti supporting one side or the other in the Gaza conflict, we just had an enjoyable day out. following one of our interests, a good meal out (but very expensive). If you go up to London umless you go to the known demonstartion areas, which are generally well away from shops, museums and theatres, London is as safe as it has always been.

I agree

I go into Central London fairly frequently and have been there when Gaza demonstrations were in progress. I saw nothing to alarm me, or anyone else.

I feel sure that if you had relatives in Gaza you would want to ensure that what is happening is brought to the forefront of everyone's mind. Why are there no voices protesting about the 30,000+ deaths (the majority being women and children), the 70,000+ injuries, the starvation of thousands of people being pushed from pillar to post, the destruction of hospitals and what appears to be the targeting of many journalists and emergency workers?

I’m pleased your trip went smoothly Monica, but I feel there are no guarantees. I’ve seen footage of unpleasant scenes even on the underground. I’ve booked Lion King in the Easter holidays for my grandson during the week.

I suspect that a lot depends on where you live.

maddyone DD and I went up to London last weekend. First we went to the exhibition at the Museum of London (Docklands) Fashion City - How Jewish Londoners shaped global style A great exhibition showing how the Jewish immigrants to London in the 19th and early 20th century, were behind nearly all the big companies in fashion from the 1930s onwards, then we went on to the V&A to see the Chanel exhibition, fantastic.

We didn't even see any graffiti supporting one side or the other in the Gaza conflict, we just had an enjoyable day out. following one of our interests, a good meal out (but very expensive). If you go up to London umless you go to the known demonstartion areas, which are generally well away from shops, museums and theatres, London is as safe as it has always been.

The Jewush percentage is 0.5%.

Thank goodness for some sensible posts, the idea that Britain will become anything other than a what it is now ie multi faith, diverse and a generally extremely tolerant society, is scaremongering of the worst sort.

I am sorry I haven’t read this enormously long thread but as I understand it the percentage of the population who are Muslim is 6.5%

Aveline

It certainly made me think

Did it? What did it make you think?

M0nica

Curtaintwitcher like someone pages back you are assuming continuing high birthrates, and lack of integration. Overall each generation of muslims born in this country has become more aligned to the current dominant culture, with more interfaith marriages.

As I have pointed out before I am a dsecendant of irish immigrants and the same scare stories were told about us several generations ago, that we would outbreed the natives, and make the UK a catholic country. We didn't.

The same economic constraints affect all families in this country and that affects peoples decisions about family size.

I appreciate that in some regions of the country the process will be slower than in others, and I think the North West may be one of them, and as you live their that will colour your views.

I worked with quite a large number of Muslims, many were married to white British Christians, many only had one or two children!

Iam64

I live in a former mill town in the north west. I do not share Curtaintwitcher’s cold, critical views. We already have one dual heritage family member. She was brought up as a Muslim, respects her extended family’s faith but no longer identifies as a believer.
Much like my friends who who raised as Catholics but didn’t continue that with their own children.
Our town has , so far, avoided race riots. Long maybthat continue

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Curtaintwitcher

Do you want Britain to become a Muslim country? No? Then just think carefully before you vote.

A little footnote. I live in a large town in the North West. Here, there is a very large number of Muslims and several mosques. Ironically, two of the main roads through their part of town are called Hebrew Road and Jacob Street!

Britain, or possibly you mean England, is not going to become a Muslim Country and your inference that voting Labour will make this happen is disgraceful.

There’s a massive gulf between wanting ALL of our Country’s residents and citizens to live peacefully together and “turning our country into a Muslim country”

Phobia means an extreme or irrational fear.
Therefore Islamiphobia means an extreme or irrational fear of Muslims.
I don’t think the majority of people have an extreme or irrational fear of Muslims.
I do think feelings are running high because of the situation in Israel/Gaza.
That’s got little to do with people being frightened of Muslims.
Some people, like myself, are afraid of going into central London at the weekend because of the marches, but that’s not an extreme or irrational fear of Muslims, it’s a fear of getting caught up in an unpleasant situation.

I live in a former mill town in the north west. I do not share Curtaintwitcher’s cold, critical views. We already have one dual heritage family member. She was brought up as a Muslim, respects her extended family’s faith but no longer identifies as a believer.
Much like my friends who who raised as Catholics but didn’t continue that with their own children.
Our town has , so far, avoided race riots. Long maybthat continue

Curtaintwitcher like someone pages back you are assuming continuing high birthrates, and lack of integration. Overall each generation of muslims born in this country has become more aligned to the current dominant culture, with more interfaith marriages.

As I have pointed out before I am a dsecendant of irish immigrants and the same scare stories were told about us several generations ago, that we would outbreed the natives, and make the UK a catholic country. We didn't.

The same economic constraints affect all families in this country and that affects peoples decisions about family size.

I appreciate that in some regions of the country the process will be slower than in others, and I think the North West may be one of them, and as you live their that will colour your views.

Do you want Britain to become a Muslim country? No? Then just think carefully before you vote.

A little footnote. I live in a large town in the North West. Here, there is a very large number of Muslims and several mosques. Ironically, two of the main roads through their part of town are called Hebrew Road and Jacob Street!

Because it made me think. As previously stated.

Aveline

I was sent this. It was initially posted on Twitter. Am saying nothing...

So why post it?