Bring Shamima Begum Home!

Hedgehog2908

She refused to condemn the Manchester arena bombing so that shows where her sympathies lie.

Given where she is forced to live it may have been a threat to her life to say otherwise.

She refused to condemn the Manchester arena bombing so that shows where her sympathies lie.

I don’t think any amount of grooming would prepare anyone to see a beheading, or look at heads in dustbins! Shes one sick fucking individual! She said she wasn’t phased in the least- in the past she would be hung for treason- should stay where she’s made her bed- good riddance!

I would also ask how far do we go in excusing evil acts and regarding them as a reason for 'therapy' rather than punishment - or at least resolving to protect ourselves against the perpetrators? As a counsellor I understand how deeply we are all affected by our past, by trauma, neglect, conditioning etc. But how much bad behaviour can be excused on the basis of 'my mother beat me/was an alcoholic/was a narcissist'? Taken to its logical conclusion, no crime would be a crime, just a mental health issue. Basically, we have to be accountable, and expect others to be accountable. If tolerance goes too far we expose ourselves to its exact opposite.

Germanshepherdsmum

We have already gone over this in the other thread.

The court has confirmed that the Home Secretary acted lawfully in revoking her British citizenship.

Some of the hearings were held in camera because they involved putting sensitive information about national security before the court. We cannot be privy to that information but it is clear that the security services have reason to believe that she represents an ongoing threat to public safety. She is no longer a 15 year old girl but a woman who joined ISIS and witnessed what they did, without any expression of remorse.

If she were returned to the UK it seems that the only offence for which she could be tried, in the absence of any evidence of involvement in terrorism in the UK, is belonging to a proscribed organisation. The sentence would be short and she would then be free to walk among us, radicalising others and conspiring to commit acts of terrorism.

Stop seeing her as a 15 year old girl and see her as a dangerous woman from whom we need to be protected. She is a terrorist and deserves no sympathy.

Completely agree. If she were allowed back where would it stop. The UK has to harden up not let these terrorists back in to carry on their evil ways.

I was a rebellious teen mainly because I was getting no attention from my parents, although I didn’t understand that at the time. I would hate to be judged for decisions I made at that age. Shamima was groomed. If she was white and had been groomed into a sex ring then we would have deep sympathy for her. Why is this different? If she has committed crimes then charge her and take the necessary legal action. But she should be allowed back.

Well, after this trouble with that Ezedi bloke, I think that Shamima Begum has served her time, so-to-speak!
Unlike him, I think she has learned her lesson and now she knows what could happen to her if she reoffended, so yes, I think it's time to let her come home to her family!!

We in the UK as a society are entitled to prioritise our own safety over hers. We don’t need to be clairvoyant and guess whether she will pose a risk or not, nor do we need to wring our hands over someone who threw her lot in with a neofascist organisation. Our own children and grandchildren’s security comes first for me.

I quite agree with you she was 23 years old when she said on the television, on camera, that the Manchester bombing was justified. How many more would be?

Yes, she is (apparently) a 'British Citizen' and why are there so many Islamist British Citizens in this country now? Could it be that we have been a little too open? Too naive? Comments about forgiving a teenager and giving her another chance seem to be glossing over the gravity. I would also say that I do not believe that at 15 one is precisely a child. Adulthood does not switch itself on suddenly at 18, and at 15 one is accountable. Carried away by passion and glamour? That can happen at any age! We are becoming so guilt-tripped and wokery-ridden that maybe we are not seeing clearly. We need our resources for the many needy refugees and this young woman does not seem trustworthy. Would I want her living next to me? No thanks!

There are plenty of nice ordinary women who disagree with you without venom parsnips, and are able to do so without making personal insults.

Sorry on my message I forgot the word vote in the sentence as in they want to give 16 year olds the vote. You can’t tell me that between 15 and 16 you suddenly develop a conscience

People into suicide vests.

She was older than Greta Thunberg yet people claim she knows her own mind and it emotionally mature

Shemima doesn't have any DC to take into account. These women made their choice. They were traitors to their country and would be a lifelong security risk. I don't see why tax payers should pay for Shemima to have 24/7 round the clock surveillance for the rest of her life. The cost would be astronomic and it's not fair to spend vast sums on Shemima we hen she has brought everything on herself. Other people are dying of cancer because treatment is too late to save them. I vote spend the money on people who are unfortunate with cancer not a person who shows no remorse for sewing

I am shocked by the venom coming from normally nice people, I agree with the nice ordinary women who say she should be here for us to deal with her and the children.

You have to be joking let her stay where she is. She can’t be trusted at least she is alive not like the people she helped slaughter.
If we are such a terrible country why come back and why should we pay to keep her

I'm sure all of us on here have made many mistakes during the course of our lives, but how many of those involved running away to join a terrorist organisation?

I don’t think SB should be allowed back in UK. She told a well known journalist she hadn’t been phased at seeing decapitated heads in waste bins. Like the previous poster said, I had a strong sense of right and wrong aged 15.

We all make mistakes

Are you serious? It was all just a mistake?

brummie

Shamima Begum was very young, from a very sheltered background and therefore vulnerable and impressionable. She should be allowed the opportunity to return to the UK and try to live a normal life.
The people who have gone to fight with the IDF are older, probably from supportve families and have been trained to kill for an apartheid regime. Are they going to return here without question? This is in my view morally unacceptable.
Also, people are quick to pick up on and support plans to deport Imams and Muslims in general. I have not yet heard of plans to deport those who espouse Zionist theories.

"Sheltered background"? I don't think so. She was able to communicate with terrorists, obtain a ticket and presumably a passport, pack her possessions, leave home and leave the UK. A girl from a sheltered background would not be able to do all this, she would be watched constantly and not be able to obtain the documents to enable her to travel.

She has no sympathy from me, only contempt and disgust. She can die in Syria and good riddance.

I don’t want her or any other “brides” back ..she doesn’t deserve to come back ,we have enough people that can’t be trusted and she for one has no regrets at what she did and what the Isis people did and are still doing ..ask the families that have lost people to these terrorists what they think !

Shamima Begum was very young, from a very sheltered background and therefore vulnerable and impressionable. She should be allowed the opportunity to return to the UK and try to live a normal life.
The people who have gone to fight with the IDF are older, probably from supportve families and have been trained to kill for an apartheid regime. Are they going to return here without question? This is in my view morally unacceptable.
Also, people are quick to pick up on and support plans to deport Imams and Muslims in general. I have not yet heard of plans to deport those who espouse Zionist theories.

meddijess

Quite agree Opal. Our country should follow the example of France and deport imams who spread Islamist propaganda. A lot of British people are well-meaning but seem to have no understanding of what ISIS stands for, and how many followers this death cult has in our country. Leave Begum where she is.

Yes, I agree. Also feel that immigrants, particularly those who do not yet have the full right to remain, should be deported if they commit a crime. I believe that, in theory, this already happens - but delays in actually deporting criminals has already led to several serious crimes being committed.