Scarlet Blake

M0nica

Bridie I agree no grey areas on sex, but i was referring to the grey area between a transwoman who still has all the male genitalia and hormones, who clearly belongs in a men's prison and trans women who have had surgery to remove their male genitals and have been provided with a female style bladder exit and cosmetic vagina and possibly breast implants, who is taking female hormones.

The grey area is whether, in those cases, the person involved should be in a man's or a woman's prison. I think in this case the number of Transwomen who have had radical surgery and end up in prison, is extremely small and each case must be considered separately. In almost every case I have read of, like with Scarlett Blake, the criminal is still, sexually, a whole male, capable of the male sexual act, so unequivocally, they should be in a male prison.

The grey area is whether, in those cases, the person involved should be in a man's or a woman's prison. I think in this case the number of Transwomen who have had radical surgery and end up in prison, is extremely small and each case must be considered separately.

Good point.

A TW who has had radical surgery and outwardly has the appearance of a female, should not be put in a cell with other males, clearly, as the risk of assault is too high.

Each case on it's specifics.

Ultimately, we might have to build a prison / unit for the trans community - for our protection and theirs.

The ultimate aim, generally speaking (apart from punishment by loss of personal freedom) in prison is to prevent inmates from attacking each other, and for those inmates not to be dehumanised by the staff. The idea, again generally speaking, is for rehabilitation as well as punishment.

I'm thinking out loud, and I might be completely wrong. I'm just attempting to look at a system that treats men, women and the trans community fairly. I'm not, generally, one of the 'lock-them-up-and-throw-away-the-key' brigade (though I might make an exception for Blake because I'm not sure he can ever be rehabilitated safely enough to return to society).

Doodledog

I wonder if Sunak couldn't reply as he is an MP, and MPs can only respond to their own constituents. I don't know whether that rule applies to PMs though.

Sorry - I missed a page, and you'd already addressed this.

I wonder if Sunak couldn't reply as he is an MP, and MPs can only respond to their own constituents. I don't know whether that rule applies to PMs though.

I don’t know Dickens, unless transwomen is a taboo topic. I have sent a further request to the Conservative Party. That wasn’t blocked, so I’ll wait and see.

Mollygo

I put the request onto the form suggested on Sunak’s response but was told that the request was blocked.
So much for that then.

Was there an explanation of why requests might be blocked - in general?

Do you think some topics are taboo?

Not sure you'd have got much joy from Sunak anyway, he seems always to be rather guarded in his responses to difficult questions.

... come to that, I think many if not most of them can be accused of being circumspect.

Apart from Lee Anderson - who I find quite uncouth and inflammatory with his observations.

If only we had representatives who were open, honest - and civilised.

I put the request onto the form suggested on Sunak’s response but was told that the request was blocked.
So much for that then.

Galaxy

Good luck with your response from the Green Party in particular.
Their dedication to gender ideology is well known.
I think the green party co leader is bisexual I.e is attracted to both sexes it's relating to her sexuality not gender identity.

Yes it says so on the blurb, but even a bisexual person only has one birth sex.

Good luck with your response from the Green Party in particular.
Their dedication to gender ideology is well known.
I think the green party co leader is bisexual I.e is attracted to both sexes it's relating to her sexuality not gender identity.

I had a long, detailed report from Starmer’s office within a few days of my email about his stance on Gaza - in the early days of the war

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Really interesting challenge there Mollygro, I await their replies with great interest !

To be fair, I don’t expect anything, any more than I expect TRA and those who believe TW are women will be in favour of it, though it might be worth asking.

Really interesting challenge there Mollygro, I await their replies with great interest !

Smileless2012

"Trans people affirm that they are 'proud' (TRANS PRIDE etc) to be transgender - so be it" yes Dickens why say they're something they're not .

Not only is that clearer and less confusing Bridie it's also true.

So if that’s true, let’s see all these proud trans standing up and saying they want TW or TM crimes recorded as such and not hiding behind the pretence that they have changed sex.

I have emailed those below asking them
1. If they feel recording crimes by trans women (males) is accurate and truthful.

2.
to support the idea that transwomen crimes should be recorded as transwomen crimes if they can’t bring themselves to support recording truthfully by birth sex and to publicise the fact that they agree or not.
Who do you think will
a) reply first
b) answer question 1 without wriggling
c) answer question 2 without doing what I’ve seen on here and bringing possession or removal of dangly bits into the agreement
d) publicise whether they agree or not.

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Carla, Co Leader of the Green Party should be interesting as they say they are bisexual, (impossible as no one can have 2 sexes) referring to themselves as she but could equally be he

I hope you’re right Doodledog about gender stereo types being less powerful. I know we are surrounded by pink/blue etc but none of the young parents I know have ever criticised for things that used to happen. Like -boys don’t cry, be ladylike (to girls obvs).
Despite the volatile transactivists and the nonsense in calling Scarlet Blake a woman I live in hope

eazybee

The main point about these men masquerading as women, which is what they are doing,with or without penises, is that their strength is superior to that of women, thus putting women in female only spaces such as prisons and changing rooms, at the mercy of their bullying and intimidation.
I too am livid that this crime is recorded as a female crime, thus distorting statistics.

...that their strength is superior to that of women, thus putting women in female only spaces such as prisons and changing rooms, at the mercy of their bullying and intimidation.

That's the pertinent point.

A study, published in SPORTS MEDICINE, found that men have a greater performance advantage over women in cricket, golf and tennis compared to other sports, and that testosterone blockers taken by TW only minimally reduced the biological advantage.

So in spite of inhibited testosterone production, TW do not lose strength, or certainly not as much as was once believed.

A good enough reason to not incarcerate TW who have a penchant for violence among women.

And a good enough reason to record their violent assaults under a separate category.

In the past the church used torture and the threat of ex-communication to force the public to accept things that were not true. These days, we no longer have the Inquisition, we have the internet which does much the same. Thank heaven for the heretics who refuse to knuckle under to the misguided.
I still think this is all a social experiment, to see how gullible people are.

So many women remember wanting to play outdoors with boys (usually climbing trees is cited) that it seems to me that this is just what children do - it’s not a ‘girl’ or ‘boy’ thing. Maybe these days, as fewer children have the opportunity to play in streets or woods unsupervised it’s less noticeable, and maybe these days more parents don’t impose such gender stereotypes as they used to, so we don’t hear ‘that’s for girls/boys to do’ as was once common. Certainly there is more by way of practical ’unisex’ clothing that doesn’t make physical exercise more difficult for girls. My fear is that the welcome erosion of gender stereotypes will be put in reverse by the trans lobby and its insistence that children can be ‘in the wrong body’. It’s such a regressive way to look at child development.

The main point about these men masquerading as women, which is what they are doing,with or without penises, is that their strength is superior to that of women, thus putting women in female only spaces such as prisons and changing rooms, at the mercy of their bullying and intimidation.
I too am livid that this crime is recorded as a female crime, thus distorting statistics.

One of bits of research I remember is that women who kill or sexually abuse in the way Rose West and Myra Hindley did, usually do so alongside their male accomplice/partner

I’m one of many girls who told mum at age 8-9 I wished I was a boy. I disliked frocks, was much happier in shorts or trews (🌞) and had more fun cycling, fishing, exploring with the boys. Mum wisely reminded me we girls had choices and soon I’d be choosing those new red shoes I wanted. My 5 year old grandson likes nothing more than wearing a princess frock with his 5 year old cousin (girl) and being Disney princesses. I’m not minimising or dismissing the difficulties trans people face but I do feel concern about the exponential rise in children identifying as opposite gender or as cats

Rosie51

Dickens

Doodledog

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

I feel quite a rage about it - because we are so powerless to do anything.
So many people, organisations and companies have signed-up to this 'inclusivity'. Daring to admit that you believe sex is immutable can land you in trouble. We have allowed the language and science to be changed by a minority of people who demand that we cater their need to know how they feel about themselves... their need to know who they are. It's all about feelings. These are intangibles, but are being treated as if they are an exact science.

Callistemon21

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

Quite.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Recording Blake's crimes, and other TW who've committed similar crimes as those committed by a woman, is going to make a nonsense of the statistics.

There must be a separate register.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Exactly! As I said one twitter poster went all the way back to Lizzie Borden, I think that speaks volumes!

Exactly! As I said one twitter poster went all the way back to Lizzie Borden, I think that speaks volumes!

That Twitter poster quite clearly did not understand the technique of whataboutism and counter-accusations!

But, to be serious - I don't doubt Blake had 'issues' with his gender identity at an early age as, it seems now, do thousands of other young people. And neither do I doubt that for some, it is a crisis-point in their lives. To add a personal note here, I too well remember being very dissatisfied with my own developing body at puberty because of the restrictions it imposed on me in terms of the expectations other people decided was appropriate for the behaviour of a "young lady". I was a pupil at a co-ed boarding school and, back in the 50s, there were very definite boundaries applied to the behaviour, dress and deportment between the boys and girls. It sounds trite, but at the time, the resentment was huge and I very definitely felt I was 'in the wrong body' and hated it because of that resentment. There wasn't, then, the vocabulary nor opportunity to express the discontent and that made it the more unbearable.

I mention this only so that no-one thinks I'm making light of young people's problems with their identity. In fact, I believe in some ways it's worse now, even though society is more liberal-minded because the media and entertainment world's focus on appearance / 'beauty' is so intense that it's hardly surprising some of our youth are concentrated so intensely on their bodies.

However, I do doubt the validity of the reasoning which tells us that any man can self-ID as a woman and that, in so doing, becomes a woman. I believe that is dangerous nonsense.

But those who insist that 'TW are women' will disagree undoubtedly and call the questioning and debate around the matter transphobic. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if there are some hard-core misogynists who'd go along with this purely to be able to throw in a 'what-about-the-wimmin' when the subject of male violence comes up. As they inevitably always do.

Dickens

Doodledog

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

I feel quite a rage about it - because we are so powerless to do anything.
So many people, organisations and companies have signed-up to this 'inclusivity'. Daring to admit that you believe sex is immutable can land you in trouble. We have allowed the language and science to be changed by a minority of people who demand that we cater their need to know how they feel about themselves... their need to know who they are. It's all about feelings. These are intangibles, but are being treated as if they are an exact science.

Callistemon21

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

Quite.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Recording Blake's crimes, and other TW who've committed similar crimes as those committed by a woman, is going to make a nonsense of the statistics.

There must be a separate register.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Exactly! As I said one twitter poster went all the way back to Lizzie Borden, I think that speaks volumes!

Doodledog

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

I feel quite a rage about it - because we are so powerless to do anything.
So many people, organisations and companies have signed-up to this 'inclusivity'. Daring to admit that you believe sex is immutable can land you in trouble. We have allowed the language and science to be changed by a minority of people who demand that we cater their need to know how they feel about themselves... their need to know who they are. It's all about feelings. These are intangibles, but are being treated as if they are an exact science.

Callistemon21

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

Quite.

We know that there are women capable of gross, unspeakable crimes (Rose West), but historically they are few, and far between.

Recording Blake's crimes, and other TW who've committed similar crimes as those committed by a woman, is going to make a nonsense of the statistics.

There must be a separate register.

Iam64

I don’t know Dickens, maybe I’m making assumptions - never a good idea.

I read he ‘came out’ was the terminology, to his parents at age 12 as trans. He was in some kind of treatment at the tavi age 17. Apologies if I’m jumping to conclusions but he uses female pronouns and presumably too Scarlett as his new name
Whatever, being transgender doesn’t equal being a cat torturing murderer does it

Thanks - I know nothing of his background, just read about his 'obsession'.

Maybe such people don't give out 'clues' that anyone can pick up on. Especially if the focus is on gender identity.

It is unconscionable.
Oh it truly is! There has to be a backlash against this insanity. If the word woman is lost (at least until we get to properly reclaim it) then crimes must be recorded as male sex or female sex. I know there has been an increasing use of the word female by trans identified males but that has to stop. Nobody on this earth has ever changed their sex, it's immutable.
I saw a post on twitter/x yesterday where a poster listed 6 notoriously evil women to demonstrate women can be monsters too. One was Lizzie Borden! When you have to go back to 1892 to dredge up a truly awful event it shows there aren't that many women committing these crimes. Two others were Rose West and Myra Hindley who are notorious. Contrast that with the number of male serial abusers and killers who are unknown names to the general public.