Scarlet Blake

Oh no, there needs to be a protest!

According to the Telegraph Blake’s crimes will be recorded as committed by a woman, thus making it appear that (as we have been told on threads on here) that women are capable of the sort of crimes that are typically male, and eroding the argument that the sexes should be housed separately in jail.

It is unconscionable.

No difficulty if it’s made clear from the outset that if you commit a crime, you will be housed in a prison which matches your birth sex.
If it’s not made clear, we will be spending endless money on cases being argued depending on the level of equipment possessed by the criminal.
Maybe if criminals feel there should be some leniency, non violent TW should be housed in a separate unit in the male prison,
but males in male prisons and females in female prisons.

Do not misunderstands me. I am not saying a woman is a man, less penis. What I am talking about is what prison a man without male genitalia and taking hormones should be placed in - and I come to no conclusion - because, essentially, they fail the test for both men's and women's prisons.

All I am doing is recognising that there will be some difficult cases

Galaxy

A woman is not a man with their penis cut off. It is beyond misogyny to suggest that.

But it is often suggested.
Implying that all women are men with a penis cut off.

I dont mean you in particular Monica, I mean the whole idea that that is what a woman is, is mired in misogyny.

A woman is not a man with their penis cut off. It is beyond misogyny to suggest that.

Bridie I agree no grey areas on sex, but i was referring to the grey area between a transwoman who still has all the male genitalia and hormones, who clearly belongs in a men's prison and trans women who have had surgery to remove their male genitals and have been provided with a female style bladder exit and cosmetic vagina and possibly breast implants, who is taking female hormones.

The grey area is whether, in those cases, the person involved should be in a man's or a woman's prison. I think in this case the number of Transwomen who have had radical surgery and end up in prison, is extremely small and each case must be considered separately. In almost every case I have read of, like with Scarlett Blake, the criminal is still, sexually, a whole male, capable of the male sexual act, so unequivocally, they should be in a male prison.

It seems so
No doubt we will learn more

So he had 'treatment' that is currently not recommended for people of his age at a clinic that has proven poor practice.

I don’t know Dickens, maybe I’m making assumptions - never a good idea.

I read he ‘came out’ was the terminology, to his parents at age 12 as trans. He was in some kind of treatment at the tavi age 17. Apologies if I’m jumping to conclusions but he uses female pronouns and presumably too Scarlett as his new name
Whatever, being transgender doesn’t equal being a cat torturing murderer does it

Surely this should call into question the whole 'self ID' debacle?

No psychiatric evaluation so any Tom, Dick or Harry can identify as a woman, access women's spaces and in some cases break the law and possibly have their crime recorded as being committed by a woman.

Iam64

Yes Dickens, psychopaths can do normal. the Tavistock assessment should have included a full history and assessment. I wonder if it did, or whether it focussed only on his belief he’d been born in the wrong body

I wonder if it did, or whether it focussed only on his belief he’d been born in the wrong body

Is that what his issue was - the belief he'd been born in the wrong body?

Exactly grannyactivist. We are in crazy places when violent men can self ID and have their crimes recorded as being committed by a woman
So many women in our age group spent years working for equality
It’s hard not to feel a group of angry, damaged men are trying to silence us

What this man did to both the cat and his male victim was abhorrent and he deserves to spend the rest of his life in (a men’s) prison.

The issue of men claiming to be women is one I feel very strongly about, so much so that I actually complained to the BBC about their initial coverage of this story when they claimed it was a woman who carried out the attacks. If women roll over and accept that a trans identifying man is a woman it erodes much of what women have had to fight for, especially in relation to so-called ‘safe’ spaces for women.

Iam64
A very bad person indeed, I try not to go down the path of calling every murderer evil, because it’s become a two a penny description.I don’t know if he’s a mental health case or somebody who feels driven to do awful deeds and gives into those feelings.Behind bars now for a very long time and great to see he’s in a male prison.

* very bad person*

Good description there Oreo.

He is yet another very bad person but thankfully his adopting a female and a cat persona hasn’t stopped him being sent to a male prison.

Yes Dickens, psychopaths can do normal. the Tavistock assessment should have included a full history and assessment. I wonder if it did, or whether it focussed only on his belief he’d been born in the wrong body

Iam64

Yes Terri bull - psychopathic. It’s v unusual for someone under age 18 to be diagnosed that way but in this case seems unavoidable
I wonder what the assessment at the Tavistock was

I wonder what the assessment at the Tavistock was

I know nothing of Blake's background - except his crimes were blamed on a previous girlfriend (by him)... the girlfriend 'encouraged' him apparently. Clearly he nursed an obsession - and tried to extricate himself by blaming another.

I wonder if anyone noticed anything 'odd' about him? Perhaps it's hard to detect - Arendt's "banality of evil"?

I was once, unwittingly, left alone with a dangerous psychopath. He was a student of one of the tenants in a house where I used to live. It was alarming to be informed after the event that I might have been in danger. There was absolutely nothing to indicate this man's propensity towards evil during the 10 minutes or so that I was with him. He was so ordinary.

Yes Terri bull - psychopathic. It’s v unusual for someone under age 18 to be diagnosed that way but in this case seems unavoidable
I wonder what the assessment at the Tavistock was

Which really makes me wonder why Scarlet Blake would identify as a creature that he tortured and killed clearly a very warped individual.

Going back to the cat issue, of course the murder of a person is worse, but imo a person who could be that cruel to an animal shows a complete lack of any kind of empathy, such horrible cruelty suggests possibly, as in this case and others that I've read about, perpetrators of crimes against animals have all the hallmarks of psychopaths and the potential to become dangerous towards other people.

Iam64

Annalise Dodds on radio 5 politics just now when this dreadful murder was discussed, suggested birth sex and gender id be used in these cases

That, under the circumstances, is reasonable - and logical.

Gender identity might not matter much if, for example, you're booking a theatre ticket and a name and status is required for the ticket - but when it's a matter of recording crimes per sex, or incarcerating someone in prison, it matters very much.

Annalise Dodds on radio 5 politics just now when this dreadful murder was discussed, suggested birth sex and gender id be used in these cases