Too many British families are hungry!

I couldn't agree with you more Cossy.

A shame this is getting really nasty
My statements have been generalisations and no way aimed at anyone specific not just my statements but everyone’s

I stand by my statement that some not all are capable of doing more for themselves. Sarcastic statements like good for you are totally uncalled for Whilst on my scooter I met many people who said how they wished their parent would do more for themselves as they are capable and have space for a scooter but won’t Several people who have stayed in one of our cottages have tried my scooter and have emailed me to say they have got one for themselves.
Care should be taken by many not to be so patronising
Same old same old argument about what people choose to spend their money on

If no one was encouraged to help themselves I dread to think what would happen to society

Why did you address your post to MissA?

Gwyllt

I’m guessing you might mean me? I stand by what I said! Many can AND do help themselves to the best of their abilities. Others cannot! It’s not just about money or even physical issues, some people are simply too emotionally and mentally exhausted to make that effort anymore.

My Mum was disabled for the last 15 years of her life, she was so independent before, driving her car and walking. After a fall, a failed back operation and very severe arthritis she became housebound. My Dad purchased her a mobility scooter, she couldn’t get on and off it! She couldn’t hold on, her hands were so crippled/knarled. Please, just don’t judge because you’ve learned to manage and cope, we are all different.

I do apologise though if you feel my comments were “nasty”.

On the contrary, I don't think anything is nasty.
It just shows that people can't possibly know others' circumstances.

Genuinely, good for you, although I did feel you were addressing me, and that was my mistake, for which I apologise.

Many people suffer badly from depression. Making an effort to help yourself if you suffer from this wretched condition is akin to climbing Mount Everest.

Germanshepherdsmum

Many people suffer badly from depression. Making an effort to help yourself if you suffer from this wretched condition is akin to climbing Mount Everest.

Well said GSM

GSM I wasn’t criticising Miss A personally but she mentioned in a post what about people with mobility issues and I suggested that some people could try to do more for themselves and this post actually didn’t start off with the less mobility
Sorry Miss A if you took it personally it general like I thought your post was

"There for the grace of God..." is as relevant today as it has ever been.

I wasn’t criticising anyone I just feel people should be helped to help themselves
That’s why there are support groups and self help groups
Some people are amazed what they can achieve

Gwyllt

GSM I wasn’t criticising Miss A personally but she mentioned in a post what about people with mobility issues and I suggested that some people could try to do more for themselves and this post actually didn’t start off with the less mobility
Sorry Miss A if you took it personally it general like I thought your post was

It's fine, honestly.
I'm sorry I was ap defensive.
At least people are engaging, though, that's the main thing.
Again, apologies, you got the fall out from me feeling a bit "got at", when it was me who had the wrong end of the stick.

Greta. There but the grace of god though I

Totally agree. What would you prefer for someone to help you to do as much for your self as you are able or for you to be waited on hand and foot and be bored out of your mind. It’s called your independence
I am well aware that some are not in a position to be able to

Germanshepherdsmum

Many people suffer badly from depression. Making an effort to help yourself if you suffer from this wretched condition is akin to climbing Mount Everest.

And being told to

"Pull yourself together"

Is worthy of a poke in the mush!

🧐

No, I made up my own mind about the post MissA and I stand by that.

Gwyllt

Greta. There but the grace of god though I

Totally agree. What would you prefer for someone to help you to do as much for your self as you are able or for you to be waited on hand and foot and be bored out of your mind. It’s called your independence
I am well aware that some are not in a position to be able to

That is called the 'hotel model' of care, which isn't the best type, at all.
What is needed is fluctuating care, to accommodate how a person is at any one time.
Thats about as likely as me flying to the moon.

Growstuff
I can’t speak for other dietitians but if you read my post I changed my tack to
This is what you need to do how do you think that will fit in with what you eat at the moment Got much more cooperation

I somehow thought you would. 🙂
On the subject of depression, it is sufferers of it that often have a bad time when they try to claim disability benefits.
The novel you have to fill in to claim seems to side step those kind of problems and concentrate on the physical "can you pick up a coin" sort of questions.

I managed to drag myself to work with the help of the medication I still take, MissA, but I had a wonderful GP who really understood. Not everyone has that kind of support. I think, though, that going to work was better for me than staying at home and dwelling on things. I was lucky to have a job that I just had to do or I would have lost everything.

Just think, it is only in the last 10 or so years that anyone would even speak about depression.
Apparently it is one of the problems that men find it hard to be open about, with dire consequences, sometimes.

I admire anyone who can be open about it, and, as you say, drag themselves off to work, and even leisure activities when it is a bad time for them.

Gwyllt

Growstuff
I can’t speak for other dietitians but if you read my post I changed my tack to
This is what you need to do how do you think that will fit in with what you eat at the moment Got much more cooperation

I would have told you that you were wasting your and my time.

Ladies (& Gents) Seriously big well done and to you all.

No one knows anyone else’s story and there’s lots of people dealing with awful, horrendous, hideous things.

Biggest hugs to you all

I feel better going to work too but I had periods where I couldn’t work because of my caring responsibilities and it made me depressed. I found it difficult to keep any kind of routine too as it was all just too complex.

By the way. I think we all come the country’s problems in different ways. I have had a difficult life emotionally and I look at things from a human suffering perspective that it could have been me. Other people look it at from a coping perspective financially and know they have had their own struggles too but also managed.

It the people who couldn’t manage we need to help. Those who are perfect with no ills need no impact on the conversation really

Norah

Skydancer When I was a child mothers stayed at home. They had hours in which to prepare a nutritious meal which, in our case, was on the table at 6pm when Dad got home. These days, with 2 parents having to work, who has the energy or inclination to start a meal from scratch?

Mum stayed home with all of us, she cooked delicious nutritious food from scratch, hob did much of the work, she wasn't tied to in all day.

I do/did the same as mum - no more than 3-5 hours in the kitchen prepping, cooking, laying tables, washing up daily. Whilst making 3 meals, I get ready for the day, walk dogs, do laundry, hoover, do the books, etc.

My time has always been used by driving because we live a long distance from anywhere (school run, shops, etc).

With respect Norah you have told us in the past that you have never worked out of the home. Your choice of course and no criticism ftom me, but you can hardly compare your life to a couple juggling jobs and paid childcare, wondering how much their rent will increase this year

When you're in a hole....stop digging