Prince Harry loses his appeal

Such a different Harry in 5 years, all that’s been quoted from his book and his own tv interviews, surely the anger and bitterness we hear didn’t erupt in those years, was it all there for years and he kept it suppressed or hidden ?

Callistemon21

Glorianny seems to be party to even more inside information than the rest of us.

Sorry what information ?
The info about his reason for bringing the case is in the papers.
The rest is just an opinion.
I don't think I have ever claimed it was anything else.
I'm entitled to draw my own conclusions I assume and don't have to follow the herd?

Glorianny seems to be party to even more inside information than the rest of us.

Glorianny
Well obviously your family members didn't even have the good manners to put on a show of welcome.

Keep digging!🤣🤣🤣

How do you know they didn’t put on a good show? Putting on a good show doesn’t deceive the more perceptive among us.

Callistemon21

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound abrupt but I do know a few people who lost a parent as a child, sometimes very suddenly. They do not seem to carry anger or wallow in their grief.

I don't think it is just to do with his mother. The death must have been traumatic, but the introduction of the woman his mother held responsible for her marriage breakdown into his life must have made it more difficult.
He's a very obvious and extreme example of the Larkin poem "This be the Verse"

Callistemon21

^I don't know enough about how other members of the RF are assessed to know really.^

Best find out.

"Working" seems to be a significant word.

"Working" seems to be the term applied in giving out information to the public. However Harry when working was given a higher level of security investigation than other royals (working or not). When he left he was downgraded. His security investigation is now only generic. I have no doubt that others like William and Charles still have higher levels.
His higher level was to do with his position in the RF and his military service.

Callistemon21

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound abrupt but I do know a few people who lost a parent as a child, sometimes very suddenly. They do not seem to carry anger or wallow in their grief.

I can only speak from my own personal experience which is obviously quite limited.

It didn't take much time for M's genuine feelings regarding H's family to emerge did it.

Glorianny

Mollygo

Germanshepherdsmum

Most people know that things change and once the initial welcome has passed the real attitudes emerge

Really? I’m obviously not ‘most people’ then. I knew my ex-mil was a nasty person from the outset.

I knew that about one member of my family-to-be after the first meeting.
Obviously our social circles aren’t big enough to include your most people Glorianny.

Well obviously your family members didn't even have the good manners to put on a show of welcome. There must be people like that of course. But the RF like many other families is no doubt capable of appearing to show a real welcome and genuine feelings only emerge with time.
Familiarity breeds contempt.

😁

When in a hole .......

I don't know enough about how other members of the RF are assessed to know really.

Best find out.

"Working" seems to be a significant word.

Cold

Glorianny

eazybee

I feel utter contempt for Harry's actions, the worst ones being his deliberate and sustained attempts to frustrate his late grandmother and his father from seeing his children.
One of the worst aspects of people who choose to estrange themselves from their family.

His witness statement to the court bemoans the fact that 'The UK is central to the heritage of my children and a place I want them to feel at much as home as where they live at the moment in the US. That cannot happen if it's not possible to keep them safe when they are on UK soil.'

This apparently cannot happen unless they have constant taxpayer-funded police protection .
Do the Tindalls have this, the children of Peter Phillips and the Duke of York?

How is he stopping his father from seeing his children?
They live a sheltered life in the US but I am sure Charles. could see them if he wanted to. H won't bring them here of course because of a lack of security. Should he put them at risk?

But he doesn't lack security when he comes to the UK to see the royal family does he?

We saw that when he was given a security detail to take him to and from the airport a couple of weeks ago - a fleet of police cars that drove through red traffic lights. The same deal when he came to the Coronation. Plus he is able to use an apartment in Buckingham Palace - a highly secure building. He could have chosen to bring the children on either of those occasions but chose not to - why?

The main condition is that in normal circumstances he needs to give some notice as believe it or not, the Metropolitan Police does not have teams of spare Royal Protection Officers just sitting around, waiting to scramble because Harry decides to come over for a jaunt.

The other major condition is that security is provided for Royal engagements and visits - not for his money making projects.

But that's normal isn't it? You don't quit your job and expect to keep the big office, the company car, and the company credit card .... Well perhaps Harry did expect this. After all he is famously reluctant to spend his own money - even famously demanding that his then girlfriend (Cressida) paid her own expenses to be his +1 at Harry's mate's wedding.

I think that Harry causes a lot of drama himself. When he came to the UK for his "mercy dash" - why announce it? Did he want the media attention and pictures in the paper? Compare to the Princess of Wales who has managed to go from Windsor to a Central London hospital and home again, and then from Windsor to Norfolk and home again, without a single picture being taken ....

Well said, Cold
And we cannot have celebs who live here or visit the UK hiring their own armed security guards whilst here.

Glorianny

Anniebach

Harry spoke of the welcome Megan received from his family,

Meghan has previously opened up on what it was like to spend Christmas with the Firm, and said: "I remember so vividly the first Christmas at Sandringham, calling my mom, and she's like 'How's it going?' and I said 'Oh my gosh it’s amazing'. It's just like a big family like I always wanted. And there was just this constant movement and energy and fun."

Prince Harry also previously gushed about their first Christmas together, when he took over BBC Radio 4 for a special show in December 2017.

"The family loved having her there”, he said. “There's always that family part of Christmas [where] there's always that work element there as well, and I think together we had an amazing time. We had great fun staying with my brother and sister-in-law and running round with the kids. Christmas was fantastic."

Asked whether there were any family traditions he had to explain to Meghan before their first Christmas, he said: “Oh plenty, I think we've got one of the biggest families that I know of, and every family is complex as well. No look, she's done an absolutely amazing job. She's getting in there and it’s the family I suppose that she's never had."‌

I think sometimes families seem welcoming, but most people know that things change and once the initial welcome has passed the real attitudes emerge.

You can speak for yourself Glorianny, perhaps that's your experience but you cannot speak for other families, especially those you do not know.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound abrupt but I do know a few people who lost a parent as a child, sometimes very suddenly. They do not seem to carry anger or wallow in their grief.

MayBee70

Callistemon21

Frankly I'm just bewildered by Harry.

Yes, no hate at all, just bewildered by the change in him..

I think he’s a very troubled person. My heart bled for both boys when they lost their mother, especially with William being the same age as my son. And people I know that have lost parents or siblings at such a young age do seem to carry that grief and often anger with them throughout their life. But I don’t understand what seems to be a need in him to inflict pain on others.I disliked Camilla immensely for a long time but now respect her for how strong and supportive she is being now. It’s all very puzzling.

Really?

I hadn't noticed it with DH or several other people I know/knew who lost parents.

Annie your short post made me feel very sad both for your little girls and you. Telling children/young people that a parent is dead must be one of the hardest tasks a surviving parent has to do. I can remember my mother telling me about my father's death and not really being able to take in what she was saying. I was a posthumous baby so it was nothing like your terrible experience, but I can remember all sorts going through my head, even that he might come back! He didn't. A confusing unhappy time which luckily didn't go on for too long.

Calendargirl

^It would seem to me that he is a particular target^

All the more reason for him to pipe down, keep a much lower profile, stop jumping on any bandwagon he can kick off about and just lead the private life that he and Meghan seem to want when it suits.

The court case has been ongoing for a while. He has made two short visits to the UK. He and Meghan went to the Invictus camp in Canada when it opened. He's done a couple of other appearances. Apart from that he's spent most of his time at home. Meghan hasn't even done that many.
Both seem to keep their children well away from the press and the public.
How is he "jumping on any bandwagon"?

He has always loved the camera.

It would seem to me that he is a particular target

All the more reason for him to pipe down, keep a much lower profile, stop jumping on any bandwagon he can kick off about and just lead the private life that he and Meghan seem to want when it suits.

Mollygo

Germanshepherdsmum

Most people know that things change and once the initial welcome has passed the real attitudes emerge

Really? I’m obviously not ‘most people’ then. I knew my ex-mil was a nasty person from the outset.

I knew that about one member of my family-to-be after the first meeting.
Obviously our social circles aren’t big enough to include your most people Glorianny.

Well obviously your family members didn't even have the good manners to put on a show of welcome. There must be people like that of course. But the RF like many other families is no doubt capable of appearing to show a real welcome and genuine feelings only emerge with time.
Familiarity breeds contempt.

He is no longer a working royal. If he were he would automatically get protection when undertaking official duties.

Germanshepherdsmum

^Most people know that things change and once the initial welcome has passed the real attitudes emerge^

Really? I’m obviously not ‘most people’ then. I knew my ex-mil was a nasty person from the outset.

I knew that about one member of my family-to-be after the first meeting.
Obviously our social circles aren’t big enough to include your most people Glorianny.

Cold

Glorianny

eazybee

I feel utter contempt for Harry's actions, the worst ones being his deliberate and sustained attempts to frustrate his late grandmother and his father from seeing his children.
One of the worst aspects of people who choose to estrange themselves from their family.

His witness statement to the court bemoans the fact that 'The UK is central to the heritage of my children and a place I want them to feel at much as home as where they live at the moment in the US. That cannot happen if it's not possible to keep them safe when they are on UK soil.'

This apparently cannot happen unless they have constant taxpayer-funded police protection .
Do the Tindalls have this, the children of Peter Phillips and the Duke of York?

How is he stopping his father from seeing his children?
They live a sheltered life in the US but I am sure Charles. could see them if he wanted to. H won't bring them here of course because of a lack of security. Should he put them at risk?

But he doesn't lack security when he comes to the UK to see the royal family does he?

We saw that when he was given a security detail to take him to and from the airport a couple of weeks ago - a fleet of police cars that drove through red traffic lights. The same deal when he came to the Coronation. Plus he is able to use an apartment in Buckingham Palace - a highly secure building. He could have chosen to bring the children on either of those occasions but chose not to - why?

The main condition is that in normal circumstances he needs to give some notice as believe it or not, the Metropolitan Police does not have teams of spare Royal Protection Officers just sitting around, waiting to scramble because Harry decides to come over for a jaunt.

The other major condition is that security is provided for Royal engagements and visits - not for his money making projects.

But that's normal isn't it? You don't quit your job and expect to keep the big office, the company car, and the company credit card .... Well perhaps Harry did expect this. After all he is famously reluctant to spend his own money - even famously demanding that his then girlfriend (Cressida) paid her own expenses to be his +1 at Harry's mate's wedding.

I think that Harry causes a lot of drama himself. When he came to the UK for his "mercy dash" - why announce it? Did he want the media attention and pictures in the paper? Compare to the Princess of Wales who has managed to go from Windsor to a Central London hospital and home again, and then from Windsor to Norfolk and home again, without a single picture being taken ....

I think if you read the court judgement that he objects to the way his security is being assessed. Before he left the RF he had special assessment based on his position and his life history. This has been abandoned and he now has a generic assessment similar to any other royal. He thinks this isn't good enough.
I don't know if his belief is well founded or not.
He has offered to pay for his protection so it isn't money related.
It would seem to me that he is a particular target. I don't know enough about how other members of the RF are assessed to know really.
I do wonder were all the late Queen's children individually assessed? If so it would seem fair that the King's children should be.
I don't think things are necessarily announced as far as movements go, there are so many ways things can be leaked.

He gave a tv interview shortly after his visit to see his father,

Glorianny

eazybee

I feel utter contempt for Harry's actions, the worst ones being his deliberate and sustained attempts to frustrate his late grandmother and his father from seeing his children.
One of the worst aspects of people who choose to estrange themselves from their family.

His witness statement to the court bemoans the fact that 'The UK is central to the heritage of my children and a place I want them to feel at much as home as where they live at the moment in the US. That cannot happen if it's not possible to keep them safe when they are on UK soil.'

This apparently cannot happen unless they have constant taxpayer-funded police protection .
Do the Tindalls have this, the children of Peter Phillips and the Duke of York?

How is he stopping his father from seeing his children?
They live a sheltered life in the US but I am sure Charles. could see them if he wanted to. H won't bring them here of course because of a lack of security. Should he put them at risk?

But he doesn't lack security when he comes to the UK to see the royal family does he?

We saw that when he was given a security detail to take him to and from the airport a couple of weeks ago - a fleet of police cars that drove through red traffic lights. The same deal when he came to the Coronation. Plus he is able to use an apartment in Buckingham Palace - a highly secure building. He could have chosen to bring the children on either of those occasions but chose not to - why?

The main condition is that in normal circumstances he needs to give some notice as believe it or not, the Metropolitan Police does not have teams of spare Royal Protection Officers just sitting around, waiting to scramble because Harry decides to come over for a jaunt.

The other major condition is that security is provided for Royal engagements and visits - not for his money making projects.

But that's normal isn't it? You don't quit your job and expect to keep the big office, the company car, and the company credit card .... Well perhaps Harry did expect this. After all he is famously reluctant to spend his own money - even famously demanding that his then girlfriend (Cressida) paid her own expenses to be his +1 at Harry's mate's wedding.

I think that Harry causes a lot of drama himself. When he came to the UK for his "mercy dash" - why announce it? Did he want the media attention and pictures in the paper? Compare to the Princess of Wales who has managed to go from Windsor to a Central London hospital and home again, and then from Windsor to Norfolk and home again, without a single picture being taken ....

Most people know that things change and once the initial welcome has passed the real attitudes emerge

Really? I’m obviously not ‘most people’ then. I knew my ex-mil was a nasty person from the outset.