George Galloway is the MP for Rochdale

lorianny Fri 01-Mar-24 20:59:25
Anniebach
Yes or no - it isn’t necessary to ask permission before every insertion.
Of course it is necessary.
But bringing the Assange case into it isn't necessary. I don't know why Galloway said what he did. It wasn't a simple case of rape anyway. It was a complicated and difficult case involving prostitutes, the use of contraceptives and women changing their statements. Quite what the financial arrangement was has never been made clear. I think Galloway probably thought he was being funny. It isn't funny but nor is it justification for condemnation because the case was never tried and the involvement of the US was very suspicious.
That's why I think justice matters. Regardless of what Galloway says the Assange case is not a simple case of rape.

Thank you for answering Glorianny

Iam64

I’m not ‘trying’ to condemn Galloway. He’s perfectly capable of doing that himself.

He is truly offensive. A disgusting person.

Labour deselected their candidate on the grounds of anti-semitism and now someone even worse has been elected. ☹

Anniebach

Yes or no - it isn’t necessary to ask permission before every insertion.

Of course it is necessary.
But bringing the Assange case into it isn't necessary. I don't know why Galloway said what he did. It wasn't a simple case of rape anyway. It was a complicated and difficult case involving prostitutes, the use of contraceptives and women changing their statements. Quite what the financial arrangement was has never been made clear. I think Galloway probably thought he was being funny. It isn't funny but nor is it justification for condemnation because the case was never tried and the involvement of the US was very suspicious.
That's why I think justice matters. Regardless of what Galloway says the Assange case is not a simple case of rape.

Urmstongran

GG is a self publicist with a big ego. He is a Muslim now. That fact is rarely mentioned. However, I can’t take him seriously ever since he pretended to be a cat lapping milk and having his ears and ‘whiskers’ rubbed by Rula Lenska on TV years ago!

Ditto.

I agree Rosie how can anyone not agree , never seen the ‘cup of tea consent’ thank you

Anniebach

Yes or no - it isn’t necessary to ask permission before every insertion.

You won't get a straight yes or no answer. If you do get a reply it'll have more twists than a bag of fusilli. George Galloway says it isn't. I say it is as I suspect most right minded people would agree. The 'cup of tea consent" makes it very clear!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ

Iam64

I cross posted with Freya who seems to believe left wing grans like Galloway ?!

Yes, I was wondering who that was aimed at. Even reading it with my lips moving I couldn't understand the point of the post

I am condeming Galloway. I am currently reading the accounts from women who have been around him in previous elections.

I’m not ‘trying’ to condemn Galloway. He’s perfectly capable of doing that himself.

Yes or no - it isn’t necessary to ask permission before every insertion.

Iam64

Gloriannie, you say you don’t support rapists. You make no comment about Galloway’s support for the Assange defence that it isn’t necessary to ask permission before every insertion.

Well the first assumption is that Assange was a rapist. That was not the defence by the way. Galloway got it wrong. But trying to condemn him for something as complicated and difficult as the Assange case just smacks of desperation.
It was never a simple rape case.
Trying to pretend it was is the problem.

Gloriannie, you say you don’t support rapists. You make no comment about Galloway’s support for the Assange defence that it isn’t necessary to ask permission before every insertion.

It’s clear though that many voters do belong to one political party Monica. I agree that small numbers can swing it in some constituencies - and local candidates have a significant impact if they are particularly controversial for whatever reason.
What I thought was interesting about the article was the reference to changing demographics of voters, so the traditional ‘red wall’ is being eroded, as are cities, and other catchments. What’s clear is that all parties are going to have to get smarter at reading the mood of the nation, and of local communities.
Having said that, with no Labour candidate and no outstanding candidate from other parties, it was predictable that the people of Rochdale would fall for Galloway’s rhetoric - I bet some are wondering why they did already,

But Casdon, the movement of quite small numbers of voters in any given constituency can swing it one way or the other.

Your link is fine for taalking about national trends, but doesn't drill down to what happens in individual constituencies, or groups of consttituencies, and it is these thats swing elections.

M0nica

Labour have only themselves to blame for us now having a Conservative government.

The majority of voters do not belong to any political party, although some have an allegiance to one or the other, but in the last election the Labour Party's choice of Leader and all the shenanigans surrounding him meant that many people who would have voted Labour voted Conservative just to keep Labour out, not because they were signed up to Conservative policies. Why else did the red wall fall to the Conservatives?

You will find this interesting Monica.
www.opendemocracy.net/en/uk-general-election-1983-2019-voters-data-demographics/

Casdon

Glorianny

One thing I think all the major parties should gather from this, and the Brexit vote at the last GE, is that when there is a single issue, which becomes of vital importance, people will abandon the party they have supported and vote for the person they think will resolve the issue.

That’s a mighty big leap when thee wasn’t a Labour Party candidate people could vote for.

No Labour party candidate and a winning candidate who campaigned on just one issue.
Eleven candidates all disagreeing with each other, with strong opinions, resulting in confusion.

Surely Rochdale deserves better.

Labour have only themselves to blame for us now having a Conservative government.

The majority of voters do not belong to any political party, although some have an allegiance to one or the other, but in the last election the Labour Party's choice of Leader and all the shenanigans surrounding him meant that many people who would have voted Labour voted Conservative just to keep Labour out, not because they were signed up to Conservative policies. Why else did the red wall fall to the Conservatives?

Glorianny

One thing I think all the major parties should gather from this, and the Brexit vote at the last GE, is that when there is a single issue, which becomes of vital importance, people will abandon the party they have supported and vote for the person they think will resolve the issue.

That’s a mighty big leap when thee wasn’t a Labour Party candidate people could vote for.

Glorianny

One thing I think all the major parties should gather from this, and the Brexit vote at the last GE, is that when there is a single issue, which becomes of vital importance, people will abandon the party they have supported and vote for the person they think will resolve the issue.

Anybody that thinks George Galloway can sort out the problems between Gaza and Israel needs to give their head a good wobble…

One thing I think all the major parties should gather from this, and the Brexit vote at the last GE, is that when there is a single issue, which becomes of vital importance, people will abandon the party they have supported and vote for the person they think will resolve the issue.

Anniebach

George Galaway is a dangerous misogynistic narcissist.
2012 defended Julian Assange who was accused by two women of rape “even taken at its worst, if the allegations are 100% true, even if a camera in the room captured them, they don’t constitute rape. ‘. He went on to describe woman A having dinner with JS at her flat, had ‘consensual sex with him, claims she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something that can happen. I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion’. (Guardian 2012)dddddd

Definitely a vile man

UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, Nils Melzer investigated the rape accusations against Assange and said he had never before seen a comparable case where a person was subjected to nine years of a preliminary investigation for rape without charges being filed. He said Assange's lawyers made over 30 offers to arrange for Assange to visit Sweden in exchange for a guarantee that he would not be extradited to the U.S. over unknown charges, and described such diplomatic assurances as routine international practice. Melzer criticised Swedish prosecutors for, among other things, allegedly changing one of the women's statements without her involvement, to make it sound like a possible rape. Melzer described the Swedish rape investigation as "abuse of judicial processes aimed at pushing a person into a position where he is unable to defend himself

I don't support rapists I do support a fair and equal judicial process.

George Galaway is a dangerous misogynistic narcissist.
2012 defended Julian Assange who was accused by two women of rape “even taken at its worst, if the allegations are 100% true, even if a camera in the room captured them, they don’t constitute rape. ‘. He went on to describe woman A having dinner with JS at her flat, had ‘consensual sex with him, claims she woke up to him having sex with her again. This is something that can happen. I mean not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion’. (Guardian 2012)dddddd

Definitely a vile man

maddyone

I think that the Labour Party will put up a very good candidate and therefore that person will win. Part of the reason GG won is because the Labour Party didn’t have a suitable candidate, following his antisemitic remarks which led to the Labour Party withdrawing support for him.

Not unless Starmer starts to return some ideals and some democracy to the LP they won't.

The worlds gone mad.

fancythat

Glorianny

The three main political parties all did badly in this election. GG and an Independent candidate had over 60% of the votes. This isn't just about Gaza it is a wake up call for all the main parties.

Good.

There are many people like me who have quite long been, "dont want to vote for any of the above" or whatever the phrase is.

I cannot think of any party's failings that would compell me to vote for this awful person. Rather not vote at all.He has no intentions of helping the people of Rochdale, he won his ticket on the back of people's misery, a misery which we can do nothing about, voted for by people who have no cares about the town they live in.