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How did we get BoJo as PM on Channel 4

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Grantanow Thu 07-Mar-24 09:45:30

Don't miss the Channel 4 documentary at 9 pm on the Rise and Fall of BoJo. Last night's first episode was remarkable and that's an understatement.

Romola Sun 10-Mar-24 16:55:53

Well, at least parliament got rid of Johnson, which is more than you can say for Congress and Trump.
It was too late, the damage of Brexit was done. But at least it was made clear to us all what a,self-seeking, dishonest person the Conservatives had elected as their leader.
As to his intelligence, he obviously is quite brainy in a one-sided sort of way. And actually, it's not that hard to get into Oxford to read Greats; the field is not large. I wouldn't bet on his being particularly educated in STEM subjects, though.

Joseann Sun 10-Mar-24 16:49:31

Being the mayor of London is a very different thing to being Prime Minister.
Maybe we should have realised he would be a disastrous Prime Minister. Always getting into unfortunate situations.

MaizieD Sun 10-Mar-24 16:49:09

Power corrupts and certainly seems to have done so in Boris Johnson's case.

He's certainly extremely corrupt, grandetanteJE 😁

BevSec Sun 10-Mar-24 16:46:41

I second the OP who said there are plenty of Boris fans, just not on gransnet! It doesnt matter what is said in his defence, it wont make any difference and the levels of toxicity displayed are staggering.How can they be stated with any real knowledge?

He was simply the best.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 16:45:20

Does it hurt you so much to give credit where it’s due
Indeed. It does appear to hurt some people to give credit where it’s due, because Johnson is undoubtedly intelligent.
We could speculate on whether he would have had a different character if he’d had a more stable upbringing, but nonetheless his academic achievements stand by themselves.

Casdon Sun 10-Mar-24 16:43:55

I think there is a difference between academic ability and intelligence. To be intelligent you have to have the ability to both acquire and apply knowledge and skills. Some of the most academic people are not able to apply their knowledge and skills in a practical way.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 10-Mar-24 16:40:11

Visgir1

I met him when he was Mayor of London. I was an Olympic Games maker volunteer, he came across as charming and funny, but that was just a snapshot.

Being the mayor of London is a very different thing to being Prime Minister, and frankly if the Olymics hadn't been held while Johnson was the mayor, I doubt if anyone outside London would ever have heard of the man.

His facile charm and hail-fellow-well-met facade stood him in good stead then, and probably the adulation he received went to his head and made him think he had a marvellous political career ahead of him.

Power corrupts and certainly seems to have done so in Boris Johnson's case.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 16:39:15

I said he is intelligent, I didn’t say he was highly intelligent.
He is intelligent, otherwise he wouldn’t have won a scholarship to Eton, nor got into Oxford.
It doesn’t suit everyone’s agenda to admit he is intelligent, but the facts speak for themselves. I’m not defending him, just stating facts. I don’t like history being changed because some people don’t like it.

MayBee70 Sun 10-Mar-24 16:33:00

maddyone

^If you can’t get a first at Oxford there’s a problem ^

Have you got a first from Oxford? Well done.
I haven’t got a first from Oxford, but my son has. A lot of his friends, who have all done very well, got seconds at Oxford.

But I thought you said he was highly intelligent? Maybe he was just lazy then.

Amalegra Sun 10-Mar-24 16:21:03

The original question ‘why did we end up with Bojo as PM?” has one obvious answer.people voted for his party in DROVES. The conservatives had a HUGE majority at the last election. The fact that he wasted the confidence and trust the voters had in him is a crying shame and an utter disgrace!

Joseann Sun 10-Mar-24 16:10:00

Some interesting observations on the last two pages from Urmstongran, icanhandthemback, Iam64 and others. Most posters have been able to discuss the tv programmes about Boris without resorting to the "fat", "stupid", "rubbish" descriptions, none of which had any significance here anyway. I have enjoyed reading.
I think Jim Callaghan was another Prime Minister without a university education. I don't think everything should be measured by academic achievement.

Dickens Sun 10-Mar-24 16:06:42

Primrose53

Wheniwasyourage

Learning something off by heart is not the same as understanding it, or being able to translate from English into Ancient Greek! Those take a bit more intensive work.

Here you go …… if he didn’t understand what he was saying he would not be able to recite all this in such an entertaining and expressive way.

youtu.be/VzJQ0TcBmqU?si=ZqdqNn5ToOrbSDVp

He does speak several languages fluently as well.

Does it hurt you so much to give credit where it’s due? 🤔

That was quite entertaining.

I think he missed his vocation - maybe he should've enrolled in RADA!

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 15:34:31

John Major was PM.
He had 5/6 O Levels.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 15:33:41

If you can’t get a first at Oxford there’s a problem

Have you got a first from Oxford? Well done.
I haven’t got a first from Oxford, but my son has. A lot of his friends, who have all done very well, got seconds at Oxford.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 15:30:48

Yes Pascal, I think he has nine children altogether, but I was speaking of the four he had with Marina. I should have thought he’d have had the snip by now. I don’t know anything about Stanley’s children except he had four with his wife.

Annma Sun 10-Mar-24 15:18:50

Unfortunately the cult of personality is prevalent in politics today. People were hoodwinked by Johnson, they were warned about his character and unsuitability to be Prime Minister.It will be a refreshing change to have a competent,rather dull leader in Keir Starmer and his government- as a contrast to the corrupt incompetence of this lot!

MayBee70 Sun 10-Mar-24 14:57:39

maddyone

Suzieque66

Why did people like him.... he's like Trump .... Are people just stupid ! .... He is a fat, schemer who cant even control his hair !!!
How did the MP's think he was a person to lead the Tory Party ... He was a Donkey leading other stupid Donkeys ....Braying at the Moon ...

Quite an offensive post.
Actually Johnson is not just like Trump.
Despite Johnson only getting a second at Oxford, he is an intelligent man. I believe he read Classics which is a difficult subject. I’m unaware of any educational achievements that Trump has under his belt. He is rich because his father made money as far as I know. Johnson is not particularly rich as far as I understand it. He won a scholarship to Eton which is why he went there. I don’t think he made a particularly good PM, but in fairness, I wonder who would have done under Covid. Johnson is a people pleaser, is Trump? I think Trump only cares about himself and absolutely does not try to be a people pleaser. Johnson had a difficult start in life, as Urmstongran has pointed out, and that has formed his chaotic character. I hope now he is older that he will be settled and happy with Carrie and his young family. Perhaps he would be better sticking to journalism than politics.

Well, if he hasn't grown up by now [55?] there isn't much hope for him. Pity he didn't grow up before he became PM. If you can't get a first at Oxford there's a problem imo. And his books are rubbish. He's, at best, a second rate journalist. He was much better looking than Cameron has ever been, until he became obese.

pascal30 Sun 10-Mar-24 13:57:21

pascal30

maddyone

I thought Marina was his second wife, and had four children by him.

He is thought to have 9 children and Stanley to have 6

According to google he didn't have any with first wife but did have 1 or 2 out of wedlock...who knows really..

Casdon Sun 10-Mar-24 13:49:27

maddyone

I thought Marina was his second wife, and had four children by him.

You’re right, sorry I used the wrong name. Did he have a baby with his first wife though, I wasn’t aware of it if so?

pascal30 Sun 10-Mar-24 13:46:54

maddyone

I thought Marina was his second wife, and had four children by him.

He is thought to have 9 children and Stanley to have 6

GrammarGrandma Sun 10-Mar-24 13:45:00

We're going to watch it all on 4 catch up, starting tonight. It will be bittersweet.

maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 13:37:28

Suzieque66

Why did people like him.... he's like Trump .... Are people just stupid ! .... He is a fat, schemer who cant even control his hair !!!
How did the MP's think he was a person to lead the Tory Party ... He was a Donkey leading other stupid Donkeys ....Braying at the Moon ...

Quite an offensive post.
Actually Johnson is not just like Trump.
Despite Johnson only getting a second at Oxford, he is an intelligent man. I believe he read Classics which is a difficult subject. I’m unaware of any educational achievements that Trump has under his belt. He is rich because his father made money as far as I know. Johnson is not particularly rich as far as I understand it. He won a scholarship to Eton which is why he went there. I don’t think he made a particularly good PM, but in fairness, I wonder who would have done under Covid. Johnson is a people pleaser, is Trump? I think Trump only cares about himself and absolutely does not try to be a people pleaser. Johnson had a difficult start in life, as Urmstongran has pointed out, and that has formed his chaotic character. I hope now he is older that he will be settled and happy with Carrie and his young family. Perhaps he would be better sticking to journalism than politics.

MayBee70 Sun 10-Mar-24 13:22:13

Johnson’s secret flight to meet autocrat Maduro in Venezuela
The former PM discussed Russia and Ukraine with a president whose legitimacy is not recognised by Britain — and he says David Cameron knew

Gabriel Pogrund and Matthew Campbell
Boris Johnson secretly flew to Venezuela last month for unofficial talks with its autocratic leader, Nicolás Maduro, it can be revealed.
The former prime minister took a private jet from a family holiday in the Dominican Republic, the Caribbean country, to a location outside of Caracas, where he spent less than 24 hours.
Johnson spoke to Maduro about the war in Ukraine amid concern in western diplomatic and intelligence circles that the oil-rich socialist republic could supply weapons or other military support to Russia, a close ally. Since leaving Downing Street he has championed President Zelensky on the world stage.
Boris Johnson and Nicolás Maduro are said to have talked about Ukraine and Venezuela’s fragile relations with Britain
ILLUSTRATION BY RUSSEL HERNEMAN

He also discussed the conditions for normalising relations with the UK, which does not accept the legitimacy of Maduro’s administration.
Sources say these included the holding of free and fair presidential elections this year and the de-escalation of tensions with Guyana, a
former British colony whose oil and mineral-rich Essequibo region, covering two thirds of its territory, is claimed by Venezuela. Last month the Royal Navy dispatched a patrol ship to the region, prompting Maduro to lash out at the “act of hostile provocation”.
The talks are highly unusual given the state of bilateral relations and wider uncertainty about western relations with Venezuela, which has the world’s largest oil reserves and has been a steadfast supporter of President Putin.
As recently as October, the Biden administration agreed to ease crippling Trump-era oil and gas sanctions in return for democratic reform and the release of political prisoners. The deal has since unravelled, with Maduro banning an opposition leader and arresting several dozen democratic activists.
Johnson’s office said Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton, the foreign secretary, was aware of the visit. His spokesman added that Johnson spoke to Colin Dick, who is the chargé d’affaires in Caracas — the most senior British diplomat in the country — seeking his reflections on what would be useful to say.
A Foreign Office source said Johnson notified Cameron of the summit en route, saying: “It was a private visit but Boris texted the foreign secretary on the way.” As it was not an official discussion, permission was neither required nor sought.
President Maduro in 2019 with his wife, Cilia Flores
ARIANA CUBILLOS/AP

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maddyone Sun 10-Mar-24 13:19:34

Thanks for the information Grantanow.
Crikey, 19% of our MPs attended Oxbridge. That’s a high percentage.
Mmmm, not sure what I think about that.

LizzieDrip Sun 10-Mar-24 13:19:07

P.S. no matter how charming and quick witted she was!