Lee Anderson has joined the Reform UK political party!

"I tire of the political inertia in tackling this and in particular the £13 billion a DAY (just let that settle for a moment - it’s mind blowing) that this is costing us. "

Where do you get this information Urmstongran? Your figures are highly suspect and of course, the Conservatives were using the foreign aid budget until they decided to designate migrants arriving without asylum status as "illegal" Shot themselves in the foot really but the foreign aid budget was never intended for this purpose!

Freya5

Chocolatelovinggran

I think that this is the perfect place for 30p Lee.
The Reform Party seems very clear on immigration, but rather hazy on other matters, such as the economy, the NHS, education, defence etc. I believe that all of these matters are important and will impact hugely on the life of all of us, perhaps as much as immigration.
Maybe he does say " what a lot of people believe" : that doesn't necessarily make him right. There are groups would deny women safe termination of pregnancy, there are folk who will tell you that the death penalty deters crime. Are these people right ? Or do they simply share a viewpoint?

Perhaps you should download and read their policies and plans, instead of just following the far left tropes.
They are even in favour of PR in elections, many on the left also advocate this.

All minority parties are in favour of PR Freya5, because it benefits them, it’s their chance of having MPs. However, it’s not Labour Party policy.

Who were the conservatives who defected to UKIP? They sunk without a trace. A few weeks ago Anderson was calling Tice a poundshop Farage . Seems like someone who changes his mind as often as his underpants, still some folk hear what they want to hear and can only grasp a limited range of information. Probably won’t want to hear they approve of smoking in pubs.

Urmstongran

I don’t think Reform has said anything about cutting ourselves off from world trade? Ben Habib is a British-Pakistani businessman who speaks sense, is articulate and knows his onions. I trust him with his business acumen.

Yeah, but you trusted Johnson... you were nauseatingly full of praise for him.

Maybe you shouldn't be so trusting

I have read their policies and plans, Freya and I'm not the only leftist/centrist Gnetter who has. Being in favour of PR doesn't compensate for the more damaging ones.

Chocolatelovinggran

I think that this is the perfect place for 30p Lee.
The Reform Party seems very clear on immigration, but rather hazy on other matters, such as the economy, the NHS, education, defence etc. I believe that all of these matters are important and will impact hugely on the life of all of us, perhaps as much as immigration.
Maybe he does say " what a lot of people believe" : that doesn't necessarily make him right. There are groups would deny women safe termination of pregnancy, there are folk who will tell you that the death penalty deters crime. Are these people right ? Or do they simply share a viewpoint?

Perhaps you should download and read their policies and plans, instead of just following the far left tropes.
They are even in favour of PR in elections, many on the left also advocate this.

I don’t think Reform has said anything about cutting ourselves off from world trade? Ben Habib is a British-Pakistani businessman who speaks sense, is articulate and knows his onions. I trust him with his business acumen.

Germanshepherdsmum

How will they do that? They won’t be in government.

Btw how do you expect the UK to exist without global trade?

It's like an extreme extension of Brexit. Let's cut the UK off from the rest of the world...

'Global trade'? Pouf. A mere bagatelle. We can manage fine without that... 😆

Mamardoit

Whitewavemark2

Will Anderson resign his seat and go for re-election. He signed a motion supporting this view, that any MP changing to another party should resign and go for re-election?

Of course he won’t!

We will have a GE in months. Why bother at this stage?

It is the right and democratic thing to do as a matter of principle. They should stand on their own merits.

The majority of the people in his constituency voted for a Tory but they no longer have a Tory representing them.

This should happen every time an MP of whatever party resigns from his party or is suspended from it.

How will they do that? They won’t be in government.

Btw how do you expect the UK to exist without global trade?

Urmstongran, I totally agree with you. This is great news for our country. Well done Lee! Reform UK is the only party with any common sense and that will get us back on track and get rid of all this woke nonsense. They will save us from global control.

MaizieD

^Far as I can can see no one is stopping anyone following their own traditions??^

As you can see from some posts this is becoming an entrenched belief in some people.

It's one that I find deeply ironic in view of the fact that our 'proud history' includes occupying a large number of other countries, completely uninvited, and imposing our traditions on the indigenous populations...

Absolutely!!!!!

Whitewavemark2

I don’t know what all the fuss is about tbh.

They will all disappear after the next election just as all the other extreme right wing parties and their supporters have disappeared.

Hoorah!!

Urmstongran

^I too tire of the ill founded allegations when anyone tries to show some understanding of and sympathy for the people making perilous journeys, being exploited by people traffickers^

I tire of the political inertia in tackling this and in particular the £13 billion a DAY (just let that settle for a moment - it’s mind blowing) that this is costing us.

Money that could be spent on beefing up our Armed Forces for example?

This govt has no intention of funding our services, they’ve systematically cut it! Neither would they use this money to house the homeless, put up disability benefits, fund education or health or anything else which would benefit Mr and Mrs Average.

Whataboutery is all very well BUT utterly meaningless!

I completely agree that this govt has utterly failed on migration, whether it be economic migration or asylum seekers!

I too think you’re far too nice for the Reform mob!

Yes indeed. Irony of course a Great British Tradition

Nothing could be less surprising than a xenophobic racist joining a party full of xenophobes and racists.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Agreed! They’re welcome to each other. He’s a vile man and Reform is a vile party - made for each other.

Whitewavemark2

MaizieD

Far as I can can see no one is stopping anyone following their own traditions??

As you can see from some posts this is becoming an entrenched belief in some people.

It's one that I find deeply ironic in view of the fact that our 'proud history' includes occupying a large number of other countries, completely uninvited, and imposing our traditions on the indigenous populations...

Doesn’t count.

British exceptionalism.

😂😂😂

MaizieD

^Far as I can can see no one is stopping anyone following their own traditions??^

As you can see from some posts this is becoming an entrenched belief in some people.

It's one that I find deeply ironic in view of the fact that our 'proud history' includes occupying a large number of other countries, completely uninvited, and imposing our traditions on the indigenous populations...

Doesn’t count.

British exceptionalism.

Far as I can can see no one is stopping anyone following their own traditions??

As you can see from some posts this is becoming an entrenched belief in some people.

It's one that I find deeply ironic in view of the fact that our 'proud history' includes occupying a large number of other countries, completely uninvited, and imposing our traditions on the indigenous populations...

Honestly HPQ I think other ‘nice’ people will vote for Reform UK.
(says she, blushing).
Thank you though for such a compliment to me. Appreciated.

I too tire of the ill founded allegations when anyone tries to show some understanding of and sympathy for the people making perilous journeys, being exploited by people traffickers

I tire of the political inertia in tackling this and in particular the £13 billion a DAY (just let that settle for a moment - it’s mind blowing) that this is costing us.

Money that could be spent on beefing up our Armed Forces for example?

Urmstongran

As I have explained Whitewave it does give me a place to put my ‘X’ on the GE ballot paper (hopefully). Perhaps I’ve found my tribe.

No I don't think you have Urmstongran, you are a better and nicer person than this mob of chancers.

what I’m sick and tired of is people, including some MPs, holding this small minority of our population responsible for all this country’s woes and failings. Of course no one want violent criminals roaming unfettered around our country, whichever country they were born in. I totally agree, Cossy and I too tire of the ill founded allegations when anyone tries to show some understanding of and sympathy for the people making perilous journeys, being exploited by people traffickers. Having this understanding does not mean supporting 'throwing the gates open' to all and sundry.

People like Tice know this is the truth for most decent people, but they whip up hatred by spewing out things which they know are not true; sound bites and economic nonsense which will appeal to their followers who will not be minded to fact check.

As I have explained Whitewave it does give me a place to put my ‘X’ on the GE ballot paper (hopefully). Perhaps I’ve found my tribe.

Apologies re Yorkshire. I stand corrected. 😊