Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

Nobody said that

Why do Jews have to be wiped out ?

Whitehaven I too thought Israel was the best response to the Holocaust, but they have pushed and pushed the Palestinian people so hard that Hamas won more support
Neither of the armies in this conflict are right
Compromises must be reached , why do the people of Gaza have to be wiped out ?

Industrial level barbarism describes Israel's current actions very well.

WWM2 I understand why you must feel like that. I try to remind myself that the current Israeli government does not represent every Israeli just as Hamas does not represent every Palestinian living in Gaza. I find it both tragic and ironic that the people who lost their lives on 07/10 actually represented those Israelis who want to live peacefully with their Palestinian neighbours. Netanyahu, who has always been against a two state solution, has been in positions of power for nearly thirty years and has been very influential in the direction that Israel has taken. I really hope that he gets thrown into jail, which is where he belongs, and his government is replaced with one which is more moderate. I just hope it's not too late. I really appreciate your knowledgeable and thoughtful posts.

Such hatred Whitewave

Throughout my entire life I have always had so much goodwill towards Israel and it’s right to exist although have always had doubts over the way the Palestinians have been treated, but I always excused Israel as a special case.

I have also always separated anti-semitism from the Israeli state, and my attitude towards any form of anti-semitism remains rock solid.

But the really sad thing is that my goodwill towards Israel has gradually drained away until today I consider their actions to be no different from other pariah states and I do not feel any longer able to consider that they have a special reason to exist. They must imo stand by their actions and show the world that they belong to the civilised world and not to a state that has no compunction in delivering barbarism at an industrial level.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

According g to the ITV news this morning, Israel is opening up three aid corridors into Gaza.

Good! Allegedly, it's a result of the phone call between Biden and Netanyahu. Biden apparently told Netanyahu that Israel could no longer rely on US support unless it did something about supplying aid.

Fingers crossed that enough food and medical aid gets through. Biden has also asked for a ceasefire whilst there is a negotiation over hostages, I wonder if the various aid agencies will feel safe enough to continue their work without one.

Sorry also meant to say, Biafra ceased to exist in 1970.

Biafra is still at war today far more have died than Palestine, but it’s just one of many African tribal wars that are not newsworthy at present.
Katy59 just for info:
The Nigerian Civil War ended on January 15, 1970, when General Yakubu Gowon, the head of the Nigerian Federal Military Government, accepted an offer of peace from General Odumegwu Ojukwu, the leader of the breakaway Republic of Biafra. "Half of a yellow sun" by Chimamanda Ngozi Adiche is a fictional account of the civil war which I thoroughly recommend and like Gaza the famine was caused by the deliberate military policy of the federal government to block food and medical supplies from entering into the Biafra enclave

GrannyGravy13

According g to the ITV news this morning, Israel is opening up three aid corridors into Gaza.

Good! Allegedly, it's a result of the phone call between Biden and Netanyahu. Biden apparently told Netanyahu that Israel could no longer rely on US support unless it did something about supplying aid.

Katie59

Anniebach

From The River To The Sea.

That is the aim of Hamas, and they have spent 20 yrs indoctrinating Palestinians that is the only way

Which is why Israel’s treatment of the people of Gaza has played right into their hands.

Iam64 mentioned that the Biafran war was in 1984 and I was replying that it was in fact two decades earlier. Sorry I should have made it clear as to who and what I was replying.

According g to the ITV news this morning, Israel is opening up three aid corridors into Gaza.

Katie it is sung at the marches held at weekends

Anniebach

From The River To The Sea.

That is the aim of Hamas, and they have spent 20 yrs indoctrinating Palestinians that is the only way

growstuff

Jaberwok

The Biafran war was in 1967-1970. I remember it well and was deeply shocked by the TV pictures of starvation. It was the first time I'd seen such terrible malnutrition.

I really don't understand how this is relevant to the situation in Gaza.

Biafra is still at war today far more have died than Palestine, but it’s just one of many African tribal wars that are not newsworthy at present.

From The River To The Sea.

Anniebach

growstuff
All of which explains why destroying Gaza won't achieve the security Israel wants. The ideology has already spread worldwide and Israel can't take on the whole world. It needs other states to support it and it won't do that by becoming a pariah state itself.

Israel does not want to destroy Gaza, and is not taking on the whole world, reminder - Pogroms. Holocaust.

Oh, I haven't forgotten about the pogroms or the holocaust.

However, I haven't forgotten what some of the current Israeli and IDF leaders have said about Gaza and Palestinians. Of course, some of them want to destroy Gaza - they've said as much. Maybe "the whole world" was an exaggeration, but who do you think will continue to support Israel if it loses any semblance of the moral high ground? There are as many Palestinians living outside Gaza and the West Bank as there are within the territories themselves. Israel is deliberately provoking Iran and Lebanon. Hopefully, the situation won't escalate further but, without US (and other) support, Israel has no hope of achieving long-term security. It couldn''t even defend itself against a group of determined terrorists using guerilla tactics - it has no hope against the combined forces of Iran and its allies. Israel has guaranteed that many more generations of Palestinians will hate them and they're not confined to Gaza. They can destroy the buildings, command structures and infrastructure, but they can't destroy people's memories.

growstuff
All of which explains why destroying Gaza won't achieve the security Israel wants. The ideology has already spread worldwide and Israel can't take on the whole world. It needs other states to support it and it won't do that by becoming a pariah state itself.

Israel does not want to destroy Gaza, and is not taking on the whole world, reminder - Pogroms. Holocaust.

Jaberwok

The Biafran war was in 1967-1970. I remember it well and was deeply shocked by the TV pictures of starvation. It was the first time I'd seen such terrible malnutrition.

I really don't understand how this is relevant to the situation in Gaza.

Urmstongran

Bulgarian police have discovered a stash of weapons linked to four suspected Hamas members previously arrested on suspicion of planning an attack on Jewish targets in Europe.

Four suspected members of the Palestinian militant group were detained in Germany and the Netherlands in December 2023, with German prosecutors arguing they were gathering weapons to be “kept in a state of readiness” for use in future terrorist attacks.

Der Spiegel, the German media outlet, reported police had found photos of pistols, ammunition and magazines on a mobile phone belonging to one of the men on Wednesday, leading investigators to a stash of weapons in Bulgaria.

German authorities said the four suspects - one Egyptian, two Lebanese and one Dutch national - were “longstanding members of Hamas”, the group whose Oct 7 attack on Israel triggered war in Gaza.

“The weapons were due to be taken to Berlin and kept in a state of readiness in view of potential terrorist attacks against Jewish institutions in Europe,” they said.

How far does the terrorist organisation of Hamas spread its tentacles?

All of which explains why destroying Gaza won't achieve the security Israel wants. The ideology has already spread worldwide and Israel can't take on the whole world. It needs other states to support it and it won't do that by becoming a pariah state itself.

Such groups should be pursued as with all terrorist cells, of course.

It doesn't mean that 1.1 million people in Gaza should starve!

Urmstongran a link I can believe, what hell do. Jews have to
keep enduring?

The lady who was interviewed re the Holocaust, she was asked if she feared for the future, she said ‘it’s now’

Bulgarian police have discovered a stash of weapons linked to four suspected Hamas members previously arrested on suspicion of planning an attack on Jewish targets in Europe.

Four suspected members of the Palestinian militant group were detained in Germany and the Netherlands in December 2023, with German prosecutors arguing they were gathering weapons to be “kept in a state of readiness” for use in future terrorist attacks.

Der Spiegel, the German media outlet, reported police had found photos of pistols, ammunition and magazines on a mobile phone belonging to one of the men on Wednesday, leading investigators to a stash of weapons in Bulgaria.

German authorities said the four suspects - one Egyptian, two Lebanese and one Dutch national - were “longstanding members of Hamas”, the group whose Oct 7 attack on Israel triggered war in Gaza.

“The weapons were due to be taken to Berlin and kept in a state of readiness in view of potential terrorist attacks against Jewish institutions in Europe,” they said.

How far does the terrorist organisation of Hamas spread its tentacles?