Is there anyone who still thinks that Israel's actions in Gaza are justifiable?

growstuff

foxie48

Oreo It's not "Israel bashing" to hold the view that the actions of the Netanyahu government is inhumane, any more than criticising our own government for it's Rwanda policy is "Britain bashing".

Ah! But it labels people as traitors to their own country. That weird little man with a moustache from a central European country used to do it all the time.

sorry I'm a bit slow this morning, not sure what you mean.

"What are the four Geneva Conventions?

Protects the sick, wounded, medical and religious personnel during conflict.
Care for the wounded, sick and shipwrecked during war at sea.
Treat prisoners of war with humanity.
Protect all civilians, including those in occupied territory."

Surely restricting the flow of necessary food and medical aid to civilians, cutting off the water supply, bombing civilian homes, not allowing hospitals to have a power supply etc etc would constitute "war crimes"? Fighting a terrorist organisation like Hamas does not give any country the right to commit war crimes.

foxie48

Oreo It's not "Israel bashing" to hold the view that the actions of the Netanyahu government is inhumane, any more than criticising our own government for it's Rwanda policy is "Britain bashing".

Ah! But it labels people as traitors to their own country. That weird little man with a moustache from a central European country used to do it all the time.

LovesBach

There was an article in The Times some months ago - this went into the history of the conflict, and explained much of what has happened, not recently, but over so many years. It was a revelation to me. The writer concluded by saying that it would be foolish to take sides. The entire hideous situation, now and in the past, is far too complex.

I wonder how many people do know much about the long-term history. I always assumed people did, which is why I don't take sides and try to look at the whole situation from a historical perspective.

Oreo It's not "Israel bashing" to hold the view that the actions of the Netanyahu government is inhumane, any more than criticising our own government for it's Rwanda policy is "Britain bashing".

Oreo

biglouis
You could call what happens in any war ‘war crimes’.

No, you couldn't. There are international rules covering the definition of war crimes.

Glorianny

The road that was used for delivering aid was not a new road it was the road built along the fence that surrounds Gaza which was previously only used by the military. It was the only way of moving supplies since all the roads within Gaza are destroyed.
I sometimes find it all difficult to process.
A fence around a country with a military road no one else can use. Effectively one huge concentration camp.

Apparently, the IDF has been using the new East/West road for the last day to deliver aid. It reckons it makes delivering aid easier {hmm]. It effectively cuts Gaza in two and isolates Gaza City from the south.

Same here

The road that was used for delivering aid was not a new road it was the road built along the fence that surrounds Gaza which was previously only used by the military. It was the only way of moving supplies since all the roads within Gaza are destroyed.
I sometimes find it all difficult to process.
A fence around a country with a military road no one else can use. Effectively one huge concentration camp.

My quote was from BigLouis

"Israel is not defending its borders. It is committing war crimes."

I agree with you .

International law should be obeyed. It is hard to enforce the international law against the Israeli regime, and the Russian regime, and the Chinese regime, and the US regime especially if Trump get in.

biglouis
You could call what happens in any war ‘war crimes’.

Israel is not defending its borders. It is committing war crimes.

There was an article in The Times some months ago - this went into the history of the conflict, and explained much of what has happened, not recently, but over so many years. It was a revelation to me. The writer concluded by saying that it would be foolish to take sides. The entire hideous situation, now and in the past, is far too complex.

Agree Oreo

foxie48

Much as the title says. I know some GNetters have been fierce supporters of Israel's right to defend themselves by their incursion into Gaza. As the months go by and more information becomes available with regard to the treatment, deaths etc of Palestinians, has this changed anyone's opinion? Today evidence of the treatment of doctors and patients in the Nasser Hospital has been verified. Does this change your opinion?

You started this thread with a reasonable question, but as usual it’s deteriorated into the usual Israel bashing from some.
We have all given you our thoughts on the matter as to who stands by Israel so there’s no point in anyone just ranting about it.
It’s very sad for the people of Gaza who don’t support hamas in any way and the children of course.
Israel will continue it’s mission until the hostages are released and as many hamas fighters as they can, have been killed or taken prisoner.
Hamas badly underestimated Israel and care nothing for the people of Gaza. Many people in Gaza and the West Bank do support and celebrate what hamas do and did on the 7th October, and continue to do so.

growstuff

foxie48

Apparently they are now intending to move one million people from Rafah to "humanitarian islands" in the middle of Gaza so they can bomb Rafah to bits. This is what they consider is treating people with humanity? The world knows what is happening, innocent people including children are being punished because they live in the prison they call Gaza. They are caught between Hamas and the IDF doing what they can to survive and there are still people who think this is justifiable. It is not.

Is that where the Israelis have built the new road?

I reckon that road is serving more than one purpose. So oil has been found in Gaza territorial waters. I bet the Israelis have the intention of purloining that.

I also wonder about whether they intend to further annex The north or south or even both as Israeli territory.

Imo the world must force a two state solution, with the blue caps initially keeping the peace until total sovereignty for the Palestinians is firmly established and Israel can then live in peace. P

Careful Farzanah! Gove may call you and me extremists!

I agree with Whitewavemark that nothing justifies what Israel is doing to Gaza. and the West Bank. (Please excuse my paraphrase WWM I tried to phrase it neutrally.

At what point in its control of Hamas should Israel stop its aggressive tactics against Palestinians?

It is just heartbreaking and we are largely helpless and can only stand by and watch. However we can donate money to relief agencies, change bank accounts if they are helping to fund arms companies, and show our opposition to the carnage that is happening by participating in peaceful vigils and demonstrations.
Unfortunately some want even to stop these demonstrations..

foxie48

Apparently they are now intending to move one million people from Rafah to "humanitarian islands" in the middle of Gaza so they can bomb Rafah to bits. This is what they consider is treating people with humanity? The world knows what is happening, innocent people including children are being punished because they live in the prison they call Gaza. They are caught between Hamas and the IDF doing what they can to survive and there are still people who think this is justifiable. It is not.

Is that where the Israelis have built the new road?

Apparently they are now intending to move one million people from Rafah to "humanitarian islands" in the middle of Gaza so they can bomb Rafah to bits. This is what they consider is treating people with humanity? The world knows what is happening, innocent people including children are being punished because they live in the prison they call Gaza. They are caught between Hamas and the IDF doing what they can to survive and there are still people who think this is justifiable. It is not.

And what is the road which the Israelis have built, effectively cutting Gaza in two, all about?

GrannyGravy13

UN is using a new route into Gaza with aid

Airdrops have been ongoing mainly by USA, but other countries including U.K. have also been involved.

Israeli Times is reporting that the border in Northern Gaza is opened for aid to enter.

That's strange! Four days ago, the Israeli government itself announced that no crossing was available in Northern Gaza, but it was considering opening the Erez crossing. It's being reported in many media outlets.

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