The new Rwanda Plan

MayBee70

I’m sure the government ( while it’s still in power) will divert more overseas aid budget to pay for hotels. Then again, with the money the’ve spent/are spending on the Rwanda scheme, they probably could have built lots of hotels

Hidden bonus - when the number of staff in the forces increases to improve our defence force, the bases will already be converted to modern facilities…..

Hotel is a misnomer. The owners are happy enough to accept the government money.

I’m sure the government ( while it’s still in power) will divert more overseas aid budget to pay for hotels. Then again, with the money the’ve spent/are spending on the Rwanda scheme, they probably could have built lots of hotels

Urmstongran

Question is, will we in the UK run out of hotels or money first?

You do realise Hotels are unofficial refugee centres don't you?

And that SERCO creams off billions in profit?

Still, lets not let any of that leftie nonsense get in the way.

Caleo

Callistemon, I think that empowering women and girls is the best route. There are local people who travel around teaching birth control methods that men will tolerate, (I.e. not condoms) and teach marketable skills to women and girls.

Not in Afghanistan.

vegansrock

Lots of France bashing here- they do puncture boats quite often, though some of them aren’t the simple inflatables. Also France takes more refugees than the UK- they don’t ALL want to come here, contrary what some seem to think. But a lot of them have relatives here and can speak English. A lot of people forget that Brexit meant we can’t just “send them back”. A pan Europe solution would be the best thing but the UK government we have at the moment is too superior to discuss that.

I'm not demonising the French.

However, two hapless policemen against determined people and smugglers ready to fight them seems inadequate and not fair on those police officers.
It seems to be a token response to show they are trying to do something to stop people putting their lives (and those of small children) in danger.

The people smugglers must be greedy, heartless, nasty beings to prey on the vulnerable, especially those small children, to take their money and send them off to a possible watery grave.

Question is, will we in the UK run out of hotels or money first?

Lots of France bashing here- they do puncture boats quite often, though some of them aren’t the simple inflatables. Also France takes more refugees than the UK- they don’t ALL want to come here, contrary what some seem to think. But a lot of them have relatives here and can speak English. A lot of people forget that Brexit meant we can’t just “send them back”. A pan Europe solution would be the best thing but the UK government we have at the moment is too superior to discuss that.

humptydumpty

Nicenanny maybe think about a change of username?

Yes was thinking of Exceptionally Nice Nanny I think it has a very nice ring to it 😊

Nicenanny maybe think about a change of username?

Nicenanny3

09:02zakouma66

Just who do you think you are perhaps when you have finished virtue signalling you should get down off your pulpit and face facts nearly 7,000 have landed on our shores (that we know about) this year and personally and I'm sure I'm not alone am sick of it, paying for their upkeep, medical, dentists, food etc millions of pounds a day. I hope this Rwanda scheme works. As for my comment 'who knew 🤔' perhaps you are not used to British/English wit.

What are you implying by that last sentence?

Caleo

Zakoumah66 wrote:
"In the minds and hearts of many the people are infact not even people. They are migrants/ scroungers/ small boats/ them/ they/ young men who leave their families. On and on it goes."

Demonising a group of people is the first step in getting rid of them. It happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Badly needed is drama and reportage that shows that immigrants are human beings that have feelings like my own feelings. And bodies like my own body so that if you cut an immigrant they bleed just like me.

09:02zakouma66

Get the violins out🎻 another virtue signaller.

09:02zakouma66

Just who do you think you are perhaps when you have finished virtue signalling you should get down off your pulpit and face facts nearly 7,000 have landed on our shores (that we know about) this year and personally and I'm sure I'm not alone am sick of it, paying for their upkeep, medical, dentists, food etc millions of pounds a day. I hope this Rwanda scheme works. As for my comment 'who knew 🤔' perhaps you are not used to British/English wit.

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Caleo 👏👏👏 Have you watched the documentary / drama film ‘The Swimmers’. Also the Ken Loach film ‘The Old Oak’. Both inspirational!

Callistemon, I think that empowering women and girls is the best route. There are local people who travel around teaching birth control methods that men will tolerate, (I.e. not condoms) and teach marketable skills to women and girls.

How might we help to make other lands better places to live in

We try with aid, charities, but aid doesn't go where it's needed.

Warring factions prevent aid getting through.

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It seems that staying in France is far more scary than getting into an overcrowded rubber dinghy and crossing the busiest shipping lane in the world. 🤣🤣🤣

Oreo wrote:

"------sheer idiocy of hundreds of people packing into an inflatable boat and risking lives in the Channel --"

Clearly they are not idiots .

A person takes that hideous risk because the alternative is worse. Some people need help to be given a better alternative.
How might we help to make other lands better places to live in and rear the children ?

Callistemon21

Watching the two armed French policemen being attacked by the smugglers with sticks was bemusing.

If they were intent on stopping the dangerous crossings where lives are being lost (including innocent children) they could just puncture the boat before anyone clambered aboard.

No attempts were made to arrest the smugglers.

My son has been saying that since day one! Puncture the boats - job done! 😉

Watching the two armed French policemen being attacked by the smugglers with sticks was bemusing.

If they were intent on stopping the dangerous crossings where lives are being lost (including innocent children) they could just puncture the boat before anyone clambered aboard.

No attempts were made to arrest the smugglers.

Seriously tho, migrants can make a claim for asylum in Calais.
OK you say, they want to live in England.
The sheer idiocy of hundreds of people packing into an inflatable boat and risking lives in the Channel just goes on and on without end.It simply has to be stopped.
Wanting to live in England isn’t a good enough reason to look away and watch it continue to happen.

LizzieDrip

Reading some comments on this thread and listening to Sunak gloating makes me so sad. The people - yes, people; human beings - trying to come here are fleeing war, oppression, violence and poverty. We, from the safety of our warm homes and democracy, talk about them as if they are nothing - just a problem to be got rid of. For Gods sake, where is the compassion! God forbid some of you ever need to seek refuge.

😂
I wouldn’t want to live in France either, but come on! It’s not that bad.

Freya5

nanna8

If the Labour Party are going to reverse it all anyway, why bother ? Just let those people come. Don’t think about ‘processing’ them, they are human beings, their past is another country, another life. Maybe ship out a few Brits to make room?

Perhaps you should volunteer to be first to go. Then they could give your home to an asylum seeker, as some places appear to be doing. Sick of all of this, as are most of the country.

😂😂😂

That's funny, but I won't explain why!