The new Rwanda Plan

Urmstongran wrote:

"Utopia Caleo.
That’s not the remit of this little country either. We can’t sort the ills of the world. Change has to come from within."

Civilisation itself depends on cooperation between individuals.

Tribalism, at certain times in man's past, was the only option but now we in Europe have a long and honorable record of being responsible for each others' welfare whoever they be.

We in Europe have a moral duty to help 'underdeveloped' countries to thrive .

What’s wrong with s Scotland? The men, women, children and none gendered would be made welcome there. The Scottish Nationalists would love it, more voters and a blow towards independence.

But I'm sure your friend isn't trapped in Tanzania, forced against her will with no access to family or friends also having to agree with a government or else makes it a dictatorship which is therefore not a safe country no matter how green and pretty it might be.

JenniferEccles

It’s nothing to do with dividing society, it’s a huge problem affecting the whole of Europe.

We can’t be expected to accommodate everyone who fancies living here.
How many are we talking about?
Millions certainly.

I can’t understand why the people smugglers can’t be arrested. What they are doing is illegal so I just don’t understand why they are being allowed to get away with it.
Obviously it’s a very lucrative business for them so they won’t give up without a fight but surely they could be defeated.

I hope very much that the Rwanda plan works, although I wish there was a simpler, cheaper method to deter these migrants.

They do find and arrest some traffickers. But, then those on the lower rung of the ladder step up.
When you ask why don’t they arrest them have you any idea how huge this is.
They don’t exactly give their numbers out on their burner phones. Then you have the problem of the amount of people involved to track just one person in the chain.

www.reuters.com/world/europe/europol-dismantles-big-migrant-smuggling-network-europe-arrests-19-2024-02-22/#:~:text=THE%20HAGUE%2C%20Feb%2022%20(Reuters,German%2C%20French%20and%20Belgian%20police.

This is worth reading for anybody who thinks it might work.
www.itv.com/news/2024-04-22/rwanda-bill-to-become-law-what-is-the-policy-and-what-happens-next

Nobody knows for sure if it will work as a deterrent but at least he’s trying to do something.

I don’t think anybody thinks the Rwanda plan will work, including Sunak. It’s simply electioneering.

I would like the Home Office to work. For people to be processed quickly and humanely and begin being economically productive.

It’s nothing to do with dividing society, it’s a huge problem affecting the whole of Europe.

We can’t be expected to accommodate everyone who fancies living here.
How many are we talking about?
Millions certainly.

I can’t understand why the people smugglers can’t be arrested. What they are doing is illegal so I just don’t understand why they are being allowed to get away with it.
Obviously it’s a very lucrative business for them so they won’t give up without a fight but surely they could be defeated.

I hope very much that the Rwanda plan works, although I wish there was a simpler, cheaper method to deter these migrants.

The big difference is that Labour don't think Rwanda will work... and don't want it to work. The voters, however, are sceptical it will work (nothing else has) but would very much like it to work….

westendgirl

Nice nanny , did you really mean your comments ?~I hope not.

Tragedy as five migrants die crossing Channel trying to reach Britain - hours after Rwanda law finally passes - as Rishi Sunak vows to push through with migrant flights within weeks (The Daily Mail today)
Including a 4 year old girl.

I'm sure Caleo has nothing to worry about 😊 and yes they should stay in France and not make the crossing.

westendgirl

Nice nanny , did you really mean your comments ?~I hope not.

Agreed ...

Have any of you ever thought that this is a deliberate plan? It IS causing division amongst us, look at some of the comments on here for a start, *'NICENanny'??

It isn't just happening here, it is happening all over Europe, and it is just another thing that weakens society, all these things are, drip, drip, drip ... the NHS; immigration; climate 'emergency'; reports of swine and bird flu on the way being spread by cattle and goats, Russia affecting holiday flights around the Baltic region, the UK running out of ammunition', conscription, dividing us over Palestine and Israel. It is creating both division and fear.

Then there is this - a merchant seaman reporting that the French Navy are 'bringing them in' ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13315509/French-warship-escorting-boat-migrants-English-ship-captains-damning-radio-messages-accuse-French-Navy-illegal-human-trafficking-Dover.html

nanna8

Send them to underpopulated Scotland ?

"send them" Them? They are human beings.

Nice nanny , did you really mean your comments ?~I hope not.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t get it. If someone is refused asylum, presumably they will usually have come here via France. If they can’t be sent back to their country of origin why not send them back to France?

I couldn't agree with you more. We pay France eye-watering amounts of money to stop the boats and it clearly isn't working. When these migrants attempting to enter our country through illegal channels arrive they should be put straight onto a boat and taken back to France which is a safe country. It wouldn't cost 7m a day to do that which is the present expenditure in accommodating them.

Katie59

“My friend is from Tanzania and knows Rwanda well. She says it is green, vibrant and a great place to live now. If you are prepared to work there then you will do well.”

As long as you agree with the President and government policy it’s fine, disagreement is not tolerated.

Stay in France then, problem solved.

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Can someone explain to me why so many MP’s whose families sought refuge in this country years ago are now so determined to stop others doing the same?

I think the main reason they’re coming here is they’ve failed to be granted asylum in France who appear to be a lot more efficient than our Home Office.

Straight from the beaches of Kent to waiting aircraft at Manston. Their feet wouldn’t even dry out. Do you think you can manage that Mr Sunak ?

Send them to underpopulated Scotland ?

The only cure for unwanted immigration among desperate peoples is to improve education and empowerment of the masses, especially women and girls, in those countries the immigrants come from

Utopia Caleo.
That’s not the remit of this little country either. We can’t sort the ills of the world. Change has to come from within.

Caleo

I am frightened of Sunak because he would have me or people I love deported to Ruanda .

He is a very dangerous man I agree. Look what he is doing to the sick & disabled, going to sanction us if we don't get back to work and stopping our GP's who know us best from being able to tell the DWP that we aren't able to. He WILL have blood on his hands.

But then the Tories always have done. I know this is in Scotland, but the same was happening here - and from the almost 1,000 comments, it still is! I know of 2 people who had DNR orders put on them, one was 61, both without any consent, he died of undiagnosed sepsis. I'm ill, disabled and 62 and have no hope (although performing CPR on a person who is very elderly isn't at all suitable as all the bones will break) but 60, and someone here says it's 55! Terrifying, but pensions and benefits are far too costly, and THAT is the crux of the matter ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13277723/Were-Covid-patients-left-die-against-wishes.html

Well that comment from Yvette Cooper is inspiring. Maybe Labour WILL be able to tackle this yet. I do hope so. That loss of five souls in the Channel reported this morning was devastating to read wasn't it? A child was among the migrants and one person is critically ill. These boat crossings are so dangerous and criminal gangs don’t care they are making an absolute fortune ‘providing a service’.

God this is desperate really. So sad. Do people actually believe Rwanda is a green and welcoming place? People are killing themselves in detention centres, rather than go there.

Callistemon, I have remained safe enough all my long life by the skin of my teeth sometimes, and that was due to others who cared about my welfare. This country and most individuals in this country do actually care about others.

I fear for this country's moral welfare under Right Wing government.