The new Rwanda Plan

Off on one again. Read what the actual report says please.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68924392

I wonder if Joe Public are just Sunak’s useful idiots here? When it first came on the news that the Government were going to contact migrants to inform them they were ‘under consideration’ for the planned Rwanda flights, I thought “What? They’ll do a runner!”.

Hmm. Maybe that was the plan all along. Now there are some 3,500 missing migrants in the UK. Officials have ‘no idea’ where any of them are. Not only our borders are porous it seems.

Primrose53

Back to illegal immigrants then. 🙂

Just on the news that 3,000 of the 5,000 earmarked for Rwanda have gone missing!

They have skipped to Ireland, what a surprise!.

Back to illegal immigrants then. 🙂

Just on the news that 3,000 of the 5,000 earmarked for Rwanda have gone missing!

Time this thread was closed.

growstuff

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

This is so tiresome growstuff*. For the last time no CONFIDENTIAL information has been passed to me and I have not spread anything. No “operational details”. I think you are getting a bit carried away.

We have people on here all the time saying “my daughter/son/neighbour is a nurse/doctor/head teacher/police officer and they say ……… “

Casdon I know you started the thread but it was about the Rwanda Plan not all this deflection stuff.

Callistemon21

growstuff

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

People working in certain jobs in public service must live up to Casdon's "high standards.

When I said they weren't Casdon's high standards I meant they weren't hers alone!
They apply even after leaving or retirement.

I remember when civil servants were charged under the Official Secrets Act and sent to prison for divulging information to a national newspaper.

I mentioned Casdon's high standards because she was the person Oreo was addressing (mocking?). I understood what you meant.

growstuff

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

People working in certain jobs in public service must live up to Casdon's "high standards.

When I said they weren't Casdon's high standards I meant they weren't hers alone!
They apply even after leaving or retirement.

I remember when civil servants were charged under the Official Secrets Act and sent to prison for divulging information to a national newspaper.

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

People working in certain jobs in public service must live up to Casdon's "high standards.

Oreo

All this saintly tut tutting about the guy maybe talking out of turn are just a distraction from the subject, ooh look a squirrel!
They don’t like illegal migration being talked about cos they feel ‘so sorry’ about people just wanting ‘a better life’.They don’t care about the strain on the NHS, schools and dentists and ultimately the tax payer and want to turn a blind eye to any religious, cultural or other problems as well as the fact that many may have criminal records.

If the NHS, schools, dentists and religious/cultural problems are the issue, why does the country allow hundreds of thousands of immigrants into the country legally? The UK has (and did have even when we were in the EU) total control over the majority of immigration.

Primrose53

LizzieDrip

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

In that case, the official should be sacked. It is not permissible for a Border Force official to tittle tattle to anybody else, who might then spread the information elsewhere (as you have done Primrose53).

My daughter works in HR for the National Crime Agency. It's no secret what areas the NCA works in; it's on their website:

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/what-we-do

It is not permissible for staff to discuss operational details with anybody. My daughter was subject to stringent security checks when she was appointed, as were her family (including me). Part of her job is to discipline people who overstep the mark. I don't know any more details than that because, of course, she's not allowed to discuss them.

The thread wandered off piste pages ago, which threads tend to do.

I will say no more about the OSA 🤐

Primrose53 this is a thread I started.

OFG sake! Can we get back on to the OT please? Start another thread about Professional Conduct but don’t keep deflecting.😴😴😴

Oreo

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

It's not Casdon's "standards".

It is the code of professional conduct expected of all those who work for the Home Office, other Civil Service departments and public sector employees.

For Home Office employees adhering to the Official Secrets Act is part of the contract of employment. That is known when employment is offered and accepted.

Most people just want an end to this apparently endless illegal immigration.

Not everyone can live up to your high standards 🤭

Oreo

All this saintly tut tutting about the guy maybe talking out of turn are just a distraction from the subject, ooh look a squirrel!
They don’t like illegal migration being talked about cos they feel ‘so sorry’ about people just wanting ‘a better life’.They don’t care about the strain on the NHS, schools and dentists and ultimately the tax payer and want to turn a blind eye to any religious, cultural or other problems as well as the fact that many may have criminal records.

‘They’ started this thread and have fully participated in the discussion Oreo.
Calling into question the behaviour of a border force official does not constitute saintly tut tutting - it constitutes recognising and expecting professional behaviour from any public sector employee. I hoped people would see that, but clearly not.

Utter tosh to think any father would grab his own child to use as a human shield! C’mon people, get real. Some of the men wanting to get on the rubber boats are desperate to be on them. They have no money and are opportunistic about getting over here to Dover. They rush at the boats, pushing others out of the way ‘paying customers’ if you like - and use any methods at their disposal to achieve their aim. Grab a child to put between them and the French police? No problem!

maddyone

They shouldn’t be using any children.

Of course they shouldn't be using children, absolutely not. Neither is there any evidence that anyone is "allowing traffickers" or anyone else to "use their kids". It is incorrect to suggest they are, vile people are taking advantage of a frightening and dangerous situation, putting children at risk. Just horrible and no one, certainly not me, is defending that.

All this saintly tut tutting about the guy maybe talking out of turn are just a distraction from the subject, ooh look a squirrel!
They don’t like illegal migration being talked about cos they feel ‘so sorry’ about people just wanting ‘a better life’.They don’t care about the strain on the NHS, schools and dentists and ultimately the tax payer and want to turn a blind eye to any religious, cultural or other problems as well as the fact that many may have criminal records.

If they allow the traffickers to use their own kids in this way then they’re just as bad.
I think the guy who Primrose knows who tells some of what generally goes on wants the public to be aware of the state of things and quite right too.

They shouldn’t be using any children.

LizzieDrip

Primrose
These boat people are now using their kids as human shields.

Evidence for this statement?

Having read the Daily Mail report on this, what Primrose has stated is incorrect. There are unscrupulous people using other people's children, not "their children", this gives a completely different picture of what is actually happening. I don't have a problem in sending anyone, without a valid claim to asylum, home, I do have a problem with families who are travelling with children who are probably valid asylum seekers being "painted" as exploiting "their own children".

^It doesn’t say that the information they should not disclose is only related to individuals and their circumstances, and I’ve never seen a confidentiality clause that is so very specific?
If an official speaks to the media they are given clearance to do so, or at least that’s how I know it works in the NHS and the police.
The point I was making though is that an official who gossips outside work is not behaving within their contract of employment, that is a serious offence. We don’t know if the official in question is talking about individuals or not, but we know that he or she tells Primrose53 ‘first hand what goes on down there’. I don’t understand whether you would think that is within the realms of professional behaviour, but I don’t.^

Agreed Casdon