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Casdon

It doesn’t say that the information they should not disclose is only related to individuals and their circumstances, and I’ve never seen a confidentiality clause that is so very specific?
If an official speaks to the media they are given clearance to do so, or at least that’s how I know it works in the NHS and the police.
The point I was making though is that an official who gossips outside work is not behaving within their contract of employment, that is a serious offence. We don’t know if the official in question is talking about individuals or not, but we know that he or she tells Primrose53 ‘first hand what goes on down there’. I don’t understand whether you would think that is within the realms of professional behaviour, but I don’t.

If an official speaks to the media they are given clearance to do so, or at least that’s how I know it works in the NHS and the police.
This.

The point I was making though is that an official who gossips outside work is not behaving within their contract of employment, that is a serious offence.

Yes, absolutely, and with the Home Office too and presumably other departments of the Civil Service.

Primrose

maddyone

They can’t be bound by something they haven’t signed Calli and they’re no longer required to sign the Official Secrets Act. Clearly something such as hundreds of migrants rocking up in Britain is of legitimate public interest. It really would be unacceptable for this to be hidden from the public. In actual fact, the numbers of migrants arriving each day are officially reported so hardly a secret.

I'm afraid they can, maddyone.
We all knew that.

Of course much is reported - reporters are there at the scenes.

It doesn’t say that the information they should not disclose is only related to individuals and their circumstances, and I’ve never seen a confidentiality clause that is so very specific?
If an official speaks to the media they are given clearance to do so, or at least that’s how I know it works in the NHS and the police.
The point I was making though is that an official who gossips outside work is not behaving within their contract of employment, that is a serious offence. We don’t know if the official in question is talking about individuals or not, but we know that he or she tells Primrose53 ‘first hand what goes on down there’. I don’t understand whether you would think that is within the realms of professional behaviour, but I don’t.

maddyone

That refers to speaking about individual people and their circumstances. I’m unsure what exactly was reported as I didn’t see it, but it would appear that no law has been broken since it was published by at least two media.

Oh let her have the last word maddyone ! Off to have my cold pork and chips - but that’s confidential. 😝

Casdon

Here it is.

‘You will be subject to the provisions of the Official Secrets Act and required to exercise care in the use of official information acquired in the course of official duties, and not to disclose information which is held in confidence.’

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But it’s not confidential that children are being used as human shields! It’s in the public domain already.

That refers to speaking about individual people and their circumstances. I’m unsure what exactly was reported as I didn’t see it, but it would appear that no law has been broken since it was published by at least two media.

Here it is.

‘You will be subject to the provisions of the Official Secrets Act and required to exercise care in the use of official information acquired in the course of official duties, and not to disclose information which is held in confidence.’

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A clear statement will be made about strict confidentiality and why it is essential as part of the contractual requirement though maddyone, as it is for all public servants. It will also be a taught module in the induction programme. I doubt any public servants are unclear about that.

They can’t be bound by something they haven’t signed Calli and they’re no longer required to sign the Official Secrets Act. Clearly something such as hundreds of migrants rocking up in Britain is of legitimate public interest. It really would be unacceptable for this to be hidden from the public. In actual fact, the numbers of migrants arriving each day are officially reported so hardly a secret.

petra

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Primrose53

So no teachers, nurses, doctors, solicitors etc ever go home and say “what a day! Xyz happened.” Obviously they are not using names so no secrets are being broken.

I think telling a partner/spouse you had a day of it at work with upsetting cases (but without detail) is rather different than a senior Border Force official gossiping to an acquaintance about what is happening with the immigration process.

Check out Kevin Saunders who has now retired as Chief Immigration Officer.

Listen to what he has to say on You Tube.

So no teachers, nurses, doctors, solicitors etc ever go home and say “what a day! Xyz happened.” Obviously they are not using names so no secrets are being broken.

There is a huge difference between an official speaking to the media in their capacity as a spokesperson for the Border Force, and this post from Primrose53.

‘Dickens I have said on here before that the person who bought my Mum’s house works in a senior position for Border Force. I see him regularly so I hear first hand what goes on down there.’

Whether they sign the Official Secrets Act or not, they are bound by it, and as I said, I think it’s a serious offence for an official to gossip outside work.

Skydancer your post today at 14.18 sums up perfectly the problems we in the UK face with this huge influx of migrants from various countries and cultures.
I urge everyone to read it.

No they don’t, not any longer, According to Gov.UK.

But they are bound by it.

Casdon

Surely Border Force officials are required to sign the Official Secrets Act, and it would be extremely unprofessional, if not a dismissible offence, for them to gossip about what they see at work?

I'm not sure that they are required to actually sign the Official Secrets Act.

Years ago it was decided that there was no requirement to sign it; however, it is implicit in the contract of service and employees are bound by it.

Casdon

Surely Border Force officials are required to sign the Official Secrets Act, and it would be extremely unprofessional, if not a dismissible offence, for them to gossip about what they see at work?

Well they were on GBNews this morning Casdon showing us one of the rubber boats. Absolutely shocking disregard for life. One of the outboard motors had a huge 3-0 pasted on it. The Border Force man said this was to imply that the horsepower (or whatever measurement it was termed) was ‘30’ when actually is was only between 10 and 15. Insufficient and dangerous for all migrants on board apparently.

These human traffickers are callous.

Casdon

Surely Border Force officials are required to sign the Official Secrets Act, and it would be extremely unprofessional, if not a dismissible offence, for them to gossip about what they see at work?

No they don’t, not any longer, According to Gov.UK.

I can’t see any reason why the sort of information being discussed on this thread should be required to be an official secret. Nor do I think that the news channel mentioned, or the newspaper mentioned, or any other news outlet, would be likely to be publishing this information if it was an official secret.

Do you seriously think this information should be an official secret?

I really dislike the superiority some people display because they don’t watch certain news channels or read certain newspapers. It’s really unpleasant and it doesn’t actually make them superior at all, even though they think it does.

Surely Border Force officials are required to sign the Official Secrets Act, and it would be extremely unprofessional, if not a dismissible offence, for them to gossip about what they see at work?

LizzieDrip

^A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.^

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

not nice to correct spelling LizzieDrip. You should know better.

Are you expecting a medal because you don’t read or watch certain news channels or papers? 🤣

I told you the other day I get my info from a Border Force senior official.

Some aggressive migrants are using a few women and children as human shields. According to Border Force at Dover in an interview granted to GB Newsthis morning. Abhorrent behaviour. Those poor little mites must be so frightened on the beach at Calais. Police (with guns) in front of them and angry jostling men behind them.

Some migrants are ambushing the ‘paying customers’ to roughshod for places on the rubber boats. That’s how the 7 year old girl died a fortnight ago. She was crushed to death in the melee as too many men pushed their way onto the boat. They didn’t have the necessary money to pay the people traffickers so they took matters into their own hands and forced their way on. Border Force officials said it’s getting very nasty in Calais for their colleagues. They are being attacked with poles, machetes and fireworks are set off. Indeed some of the migrants arriving in Dover have stab wounds.

This has turned toxic very quickly.