The new Rwanda Plan

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

No Petra I’m not calling the border force guard a liar (correct spelling by the way) because I had not seen / heard / read this when I posed the question. I don’t watch GB news or read the Daily Fail Mail.

Skydancer

Parts of the world are in a dreadful mess for various reasons. None of us, I'm sure, would want to live in these places and have the utmost sympathy for those who do. But it is not right that people can expect to just turn up in another country and expect to be housed and given a job. If we let in more or less anyone who fancies coming here then put the clock forward. The Britain we know will be gone. In its place will be a country full of different cultures, religions and languages. Some of these people's countries were at war with one another before they came here and these disagreements would be brought to our shores. Yes, we have always received immigrants but not in the numbers that are arriving now. If things go on as they are, one day people here will be facing similar problems as those the immigrants are trying to escape from. As well as that, what about the strain on services that we have all paid for and what about the cost to the environment? It is unsustainable. Nobody seems to think long term. I don't know how to deal with the migrant crisis but the face of Britain is changing and we were not consulted as to whether this was what we wanted. We cannot be the answer to everyone's problems.

Great post Skydancer👏👏 exactly how I feel as do most of my friends. Trouble is some people are too scared to admit it because they wrongly get called racists. It’s nothing to do with race, they could come from the moon but we are still full.

As you say, we have always taken in people from other countries and we also send billions in aid to other countries so we have done more than our share and, again as you say, we cannot be the answer to everyone’s problems.

I go to other parts of the country and it appears that the Britain we know has already gone.

I would like to see a halt brought to anybody coming to our country to live. ….. eg five years …. And when we have sorted out our own problems and looked after our young, the elderly and everyone in between with medical care, housing, employment, schooling etc then we could reconsider and start a very controlled immigration process.

Parts of the world are in a dreadful mess for various reasons. None of us, I'm sure, would want to live in these places and have the utmost sympathy for those who do. But it is not right that people can expect to just turn up in another country and expect to be housed and given a job. If we let in more or less anyone who fancies coming here then put the clock forward. The Britain we know will be gone. In its place will be a country full of different cultures, religions and languages. Some of these people's countries were at war with one another before they came here and these disagreements would be brought to our shores. Yes, we have always received immigrants but not in the numbers that are arriving now. If things go on as they are, one day people here will be facing similar problems as those the immigrants are trying to escape from. As well as that, what about the strain on services that we have all paid for and what about the cost to the environment? It is unsustainable. Nobody seems to think long term. I don't know how to deal with the migrant crisis but the face of Britain is changing and we were not consulted as to whether this was what we wanted. We cannot be the answer to everyone's problems.

foxie48

"These boat people are now using their kids as human shields. "

What a thoroughly unpleasant comment!

Thoroughly unpleasant? That term has been in use for decades. 😉

12:05Freya5

I agree, there's another boat in trouble today off the Calais coast I wonder where they end up, here probably.

Nicenanny3

Children are being used by migrants as 'human shields' on French beaches to stop police reaching their boats, a Border Force official has claimed.
We've seen them attacked with sticks, metal bars, machetes, using women and children that are there to cross, using them as human shields to prevent law enforcement taking action,' she told GB News. (The Daily Mail today)

Also the boat wouldn't have sunk if it weren't for migrants forcing their way on to it. In French waters. They then allowed it to continue by the French into UK waters. No arrests of the three Sudanese crooks, piloting the boat, just let them come to the UK, they'll deal with it. 😡

MaizieD

^The dinghies can take 50-60 people but as the boats prepare to leave a crowd who have not paid people smugglers storm the boat and jump on making it very overcrowded and dangerous. Last week there were 113 people on one boat!^

I am a bit surprised by this. If the smugglers are as vicious as they are claimed to be they surely wouldn't be tolerating non paying passengers on the boats.

Or are we just getting all sorts of mixed messages?

A border security guard spoke about this, this morning.
He said most of them are from sub Sahara and hadn’t paid any traffickers.
As for the traffickers taking control of the situation none of them are in France or Belgium, all communication to migrants is done by phone.
Just incase someone thinks ^well why don’t the powers that be look at the migrants phones, the traffickers use burner phones.

MaizieD

^The dinghies can take 50-60 people but as the boats prepare to leave a crowd who have not paid people smugglers storm the boat and jump on making it very overcrowded and dangerous. Last week there were 113 people on one boat!^

I am a bit surprised by this. If the smugglers are as vicious as they are claimed to be they surely wouldn't be tolerating non paying passengers on the boats.

Or are we just getting all sorts of mixed messages?

In the heat of the moment with all the migrants dressed much the same I doubt the traffickers can tell who’s who.

vegansrock

It’s wrong to say oreo that anyone with a visa has a job and accommodation - many are here on temporary visas and never leave - there is no check on their leaving. Many are here on student or family visas and don’t have jobs, students frequently “disappear”, again no checks by our Home Office. There are far more of these than those in small boats, but this is never tackled.

True.
Immigration should come down heavily on those who outstay a visa, students, fake students and others, but unfortunately they never do.
At least tho, these people do have accommodation and earn money, even if in the black economy.

The dinghies can take 50-60 people but as the boats prepare to leave a crowd who have not paid people smugglers storm the boat and jump on making it very overcrowded and dangerous. Last week there were 113 people on one boat!

I am a bit surprised by this. If the smugglers are as vicious as they are claimed to be they surely wouldn't be tolerating non paying passengers on the boats.

Or are we just getting all sorts of mixed messages?

LizzieDrip

Primrose
These boat people are now using their kids as human shields.

Evidence for this statement?

A border guard speaking on the news this morning confirmed this. Are you calling him a lier.

zakouma66

I am reporting your posts as a hate crime.

FGS get a grip.

Casdon

It’s blindingly obvious that people who travel across continents specifically to get to the French coast nearest to the UK are doing so because they wish to come to the UK. If I hear one more person say that they are France’s problem and should be given asylum there I think I’m going to scream - just be glad you can’t hear me.

Ah go on then, have a good old scream🤣

That was to LizzyDrip who demanded evidence.

She’s not sitting an exam. She is entitled to her opinion.

Children are being used by migrants as 'human shields' on French beaches to stop police reaching their boats, a Border Force official has claimed.
We've seen them attacked with sticks, metal bars, machetes, using women and children that are there to cross, using them as human shields to prevent law enforcement taking action,' she told GB News. (The Daily Mail today)

Primrose
These boat people are now using their kids as human shields.

Evidence for this statement?

I don’t think many children arrive via the small boats, although some do of course. When I see film of the boats arriving or being helped by border control, they appear to be full of young men. Few women, and even fewer children.

"These boat people are now using their kids as human shields. "

What a thoroughly unpleasant comment!

I think we need a new thread actually.

These boat people are now using their kids as human shields.

The dinghies can take 50-60 people but as the boats prepare to leave a crowd who have not paid people smugglers storm the boat and jump on making it very overcrowded and dangerous. Last week there were 113 people on one boat!

Better weather today so no doubt hundreds more freeloaders will arrive today.

Coronation

An unpopular solution may be to insist on ID cards to be carried at all times. This would state how long there allowed to stay, if legal here etc.

But many people wouldn't be happy paying for ID cards, and do we have the police /border resources to carry out checks?

I do think it's easy to disappear into the country and this may be a factor in people wanting to come here.

Of course there are enough border force to check travellers, every time I travel into or out of the UK my passport is checked. There might be a few illegals evading checks hiding in lorries, and a few arriving on a beach undetected, when they are eventually found they all try to claim asylum anyway.

I’m sure more than half migrants have been Persecuted in their own country, it’s not hard to upset the government in at least half the countries in the world, wrong religion, wrong tribe and most can speak English as a second language, of course they want to come here, many have relatives here as well.

Well said, Vintagewhine, when it comes to controlling immigration we have shown incompetence. Every time the ID question is discussed we are up in arms - no! It would restrict our freedom apparently. There is irony here, isn' t there?

Nicenanny if you take the time to read my post correctly, I said you appear to hate asylum seekers. This appearance comes through in the language you use when referring to them. I can only form an opinion about your views through the language you use on this thread.

However, let’s perhaps agree that you dislike them. I ask the question again ‘what is about asylum seekers that makes you dislike them so much’? I have asked this question several times on this thread but received no response to it.

If I’m wrong, and you don’t dislike them at all, please enlighten me. I am genuinely interested to understand the motivation for your viewpoint.

The UK doesn't have an immigration system that works. If we did we wouldn't have to make stupid laws to try to make illegal actions by the state, legal. Most of those who arrive on small boats are genuine asylum seekers and compared to most countries we take few. We just are hopeless at dealing with them and this government has made them scape goats for their own inadequacy.

I suspect zakouma66 has hate herself.

It has taken me a long time to realise, that those who come out with that type of thing, they do in part, because they themselves have it.