The new Rwanda Plan

"Two-thirds of asylum claims are granted protection at the initial decision stage. 67% of initial decisions made in the year to December 2023 have been grants of protection, meaning they have been awarded refugee status or humanitarian protection."

I have said on here before that the person who bought my Mum’s house works in a senior position for Border Force. I see him regularly so I hear first hand what goes on down there

Oh well Primrose it must be true then. My friend’s cousin’s hairdresser’s next door neighbour knows what’s going on down there too!

Oreo

The French police were standing around watching the latest boat being pushed into the water and in the video you can see two or three traffickers with sticks.They could shoot them in the legs or use a taser on them if they wanted to.If really threatened by the traffickers they could simply shoot them to protect themselves.No court in France would convict the police over that.
In the interview with the self styled 16 year old, who said he was from Sudan, he had paid 1,000 dollars already and said he would pay again.How did he get that money? You have to wonder.

Perhaps his family clubbed together and found the money to stop their son being made to go into the militia.

It's not like the British Army.

Dickens you say the traffickers are “vicious and violent”. How very dare you say that. 😝You know full well that anybody involved is lovely, honest, hardworking, brave ……. It’s just that they are looking for better lives. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dickens I have said on here before that the person who bought my Mum’s house works in a senior position for Border Force. I see him regularly so I hear first hand what goes on down there.

The Telegraph

"Rishi Sunak rebukes Emmanuel Macron’s criticism of Rwanda plan
No 10 defends its scheme as ‘the right approach’ after French president’s claim it would prove ‘totally ineffective

Urmstongran

It’s only been a couple of days since the Rwanda Bill was passed into law, and already the French and Irish are banging on about it.
So it has to be a good thing for the UK.

Estimating - with some precision - this will have as a deterrent is yet to be quantified.

Evidence suggests that the 'pull' for quite a few migrants is the language, existing family ties, and the perceived 'culture' of easy work as factors in the choice of final destination.

Then, there is the cost - the government has conceded that it does not know the overall cost of the plan.

As Isabel Hardman in The Spectator writes "what then is the point of the government’s flagship Rwanda deportation scheme if it isn't going to save money for the taxpayer?". It is, she added, the "cost of policy making that is about symbols rather than things working".

The Rwandan government has said it can process 200 migrants per year - this will make barely a dent in the overall numbers of applications processed in the UK.

Whatever the French and Irish are saying - and they are not all speaking with one voice - doesn't matter. It's whether the plan will work to a degree that it acts as a deterrent, is cost-effective, and reduces the application numbers, and I think there's a question-mark against all three queries.

zakouma66

Sick to my stomach reading this. What on earth do you think these updates on the number of people arriving does?

People

I have reported it, its a disgrace.

Reporting it as you don’t like the truth? Good luck with that.
It's about numbers of people coming here in small boats to try and claim asylum. Why shouldn’t the stats be printed?

The French police were standing around watching the latest boat being pushed into the water and in the video you can see two or three traffickers with sticks.They could shoot them in the legs or use a taser on them if they wanted to.If really threatened by the traffickers they could simply shoot them to protect themselves.No court in France would convict the police over that.
In the interview with the self styled 16 year old, who said he was from Sudan, he had paid 1,000 dollars already and said he would pay again.How did he get that money? You have to wonder.

It’s only been a couple of days since the Rwanda Bill was passed into law, and already the French and Irish are banging on about it.
So it has to be a good thing for the UK.

Thank you and well said, Dickens.

Primrose53

petra

Primrose53

RunaroundSue

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

My husband and son have been saying that since day one. 👏

It won’t be long before one of those policemen is seriously injured. Then the French will stop trying to hold back the boats.

“Stop” ? They haven’t even started yet?

The French police and maritime police, have been slashing the boats - when they can get near them. Sales of dinghies have also been stopped in many places to prevent the traffickers from buying them. The maritime police have also been intercepting the boats when they are in the water - by aggressively encircling them creating waves to flood the small boats - and they've used pepper sprays on the passengers, too.

There are two things to understand. The traffickers are vicious and violent. And they are armed with sticks and knives with which some will not hesitate to use. Of course, the police could shoot them - but would then find themselves in Court. They are also expert in finding parts of the coast where the police are not looking out for them... unless you believe that there are sufficient numbers of police to form a chain around the whole coastline. And, the maritime police action actually at sea is breaking international maritime law.

Of course, you will have seen footage of the French police standing around doing nothing to prevent the boats from setting out for the UK. But if you read more widely Le Monde and Der Spiegel have shown footage of the activities I mentioned above.

It's easy to be an armchair critic about an issue which is complex and dangerous, and about which you don't have first hand information. Especially if you read the media that wants to put the blame on the French. And leaving the EU was never going to prevent the boats from arriving here - but at least when we were within the EU, we could legitimately send them back to France.

Asylum seekers in boats isn't just a British - French problem, it is increasingly a global problem which needs the coordination of all the nations involved.

What we could have done, right from the start, is to inject sufficient funds and resources into our own agencies to deal quickly and efficiently with those who were arriving on our shores instead of hatching useless initiatives like shipping them off to Rwanda - which will only take a limited number of migrants anyway and has insisted as part of the deal, that we take in some of theirs.

Such short memories. In the 2010 general election campaign, the published manifestos revealed that the Labour Party planned to continue the introduction of the identity card scheme, while all other parties pledged to discontinue plans to issue ID cards. What goes around comes around.

petra

Wyllow3

My point being it isn't deterring people crossing the channel which was supposed to be a flagship point.

It’s not deterring people. Only this week gangs who hadn’t paid to be on the boats were attacking the migrants on the boats to try and get on them.
My source: a harbour master at Dover. It’s getting seriously nasty now on the beaches.

It's just been on the BBC News, petra

One 16 year old boy who decided not to get on the boat, even though he had paid, was talking to a reporter.
He was escaping from South Sudan to try to avoid being conscripted into the militia there.

I was thinking about that little girl who drowned, were grown men, who hadn't paid, fighting and pushing to try to get on the boat and pushed her off? 😥

petra

Primrose53

RunaroundSue

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

My husband and son have been saying that since day one. 👏

It won’t be long before one of those policemen is seriously injured. Then the French will stop trying to hold back the boats.

“Stop” ? They haven’t even started yet?

Primrose53

RunaroundSue

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

My husband and son have been saying that since day one. 👏

It won’t be long before one of those policemen is seriously injured. Then the French will stop trying to hold back the boats.

Wyllow3

My point being it isn't deterring people crossing the channel which was supposed to be a flagship point.

It’s not deterring people. Only this week gangs who hadn’t paid to be on the boats were attacking the migrants on the boats to try and get on them.
My source: a harbour master at Dover. It’s getting seriously nasty now on the beaches.

zakouma66

Sick to my stomach reading this. What on earth do you think these updates on the number of people arriving does?

People

I have reported it, its a disgrace.

Err because this thread is about the government's new Rwanda Plan that has just been put into force so to show if it is working or not you have to know how many people/boats are coming in each day.

RunaroundSue

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

My husband and son have been saying that since day one. 👏

Sick to my stomach reading this. What on earth do you think these updates on the number of people arriving does?

People

I have reported it, its a disgrace.

There’s not enough people working here to pay for whom we have. It seems a lot of people according to statistics, prefer not to get out of bed, they survive by any means, so unfair on those hardworking people who do work and survive, just. Why should we be having floods of people her? For our benefits system, that’s why. Let the ones who think it’s good idea, take a family and keep them, but if course they wont just leave it to someone else.
French now slashing the boats so that could solve the problem.
If they are illegal send them back to last safe country they were in, if their life was under threat they would have stayed there. Bring back ID cards, they can ask for mine every day if they want. Those that won’t have one, stop any benefits or if they work tax them, we should be working collectively for our country.It would solve the problem of those getting lost in the system. We don’t know who’s here and that is very dangerous, we are being let down.

141 on 2 boats arrived 26th April.

I saw the news yesterday and the plan that is much better than the Rwanda one is the French guards slitting the rubber boats so migrants cannot get into the water to come to Britain. They can also shoot holes in normal boats before they sail, just to stop them from even getting to our shores. How easy and cheap is that.

I see it as a sort of jigsaw where no one move is a solution, and that is one.

It's clear that better international tackling of the gangs is essential across Europe than currently taking place.

Wyllow3

If only the Rwanda money had been spent on speedier processing and asylum claim centres abroad.

That wouldn't work what about the ones who are refused asylum do you think they would give up and what about the new influx of Vietnamese paying according to Youtube 10,500 euros to get here.