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nanna8 Fri 15-Mar-24 12:33:29

I think Trump will win so fasten your seatbelts! For reasons best known to themselves the Democrats haven’t replaced Biden and Trump must be rubbing his hands in glee.

Dickens Mon 18-Mar-24 15:48:54

Freya5

Dickens

Whitewavemark2

I’m watching Trump on twitter, and it is all getting a tad worrying.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I hope the courts get to grip with him before he causes a major insurrection - because that is what it is beginning to look like.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I honestly find that quite alarming. But what is even more frightening is that people cannot see that the man is basically suggesting that he, and only he, has the right to become President. And at the same time, ensuring his supporters are whipped up into a frenzy at the mere prospect of him losing. Some have even said that they believe he is God's choice!

Him and his bloody ego - his massive, massive ego, that has to be pandered to all the time, is probably going to hold the most powerful position in the world. He cannot even handle the tiniest bit of criticism without getting into a rage and posting on Truth Social sometimes during the middle of the night. These are not the reactions of a stable personality, he's unhinged - to put it in non-scientific terms.

And this is the nation that we are going to form stronger ties with, forge a trade-deal (ha!) with because we didn't want to be told what to do by 'Bwussels' - does anyone seriously believe that America will, under Trump, focus on the needs and requirements of the UK, as opposed to its own 'America first' in any deal? America will say "jump" and we'll ask "how high"? So much for our sovereignty - which we ditched the EU to 're-gain'!

Nothing whatsoever to do with leaving the EU.
We have always, since WW11, been strong allies of the US.
You're all panicking in case Trumpy gets back in. Well at least he'll be elected by all who can vote, maybe some that shouldn't too, Putin worries me far more than Trump, that is for sure.

Well at least he'll be elected by all who can vote, maybe some that shouldn't too, Putin worries me far more than Trump, that is for sure.

Speaking at a rally in Conway, South Carolina, Trump recalled how as president he told an unidentified NATO member that he would withhold U.S. help and “encourage” Russia to do as it wishes with allies that do not contribute enough to military spending.

‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’" Trump recounted saying. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’"

(from FACT-CHECK)

If Russia (Putin) were to do "what the hell they want", it could be the beginning of WW3. Which side would Trump be on?

The fact Trump would be elected by all who can vote would be of little consolation.

Nothing whatsoever to do with leaving the EU.

One of the reasons for leaving the EU - quoted by quite a few people at the time - was because of our "sovereignty" which it was believed was under threat.

We may be allies (for the moment), but any future trade deal with America will, to put it mildly, be very much on their terms. America puts America first - and it most certainly will under Trump. He might have said nice things about our late Queen ("great lady"), but when it comes down to the wire, Trump's first loyalty is to the $$$. Which is why he couldn't give a tinker's cuss about Russia invading a 'delinquent' country.

... though it's rumoured his own financial dealings have been somewhat on the delinquent side historically.

Would you be so blasé if, for example, Putin put to the test Trump's apparent lack of concern about who he might choose to attack next, by choosing to attack Great Britain?

Putin worries me too - but Trump vindicating him worries me even more.

foxie48 Mon 18-Mar-24 14:35:30

I think we have cause to be worried about Trump getting re-elected. To a large extent order is maintained with cooperation, some shared values and an understanding that by standing together we are stronger and more influential. Trump doesn't understand the rules of diplomacy and is not only a isolationist, he's also a bully who likes to throw his weight around. He's a very dangerous man, who, if he becomes POTUS has the capacity to stir up more trouble with Putin and others than we already have.

Freya5 Mon 18-Mar-24 14:00:09

Dickens

Whitewavemark2

I’m watching Trump on twitter, and it is all getting a tad worrying.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I hope the courts get to grip with him before he causes a major insurrection - because that is what it is beginning to look like.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I honestly find that quite alarming. But what is even more frightening is that people cannot see that the man is basically suggesting that he, and only he, has the right to become President. And at the same time, ensuring his supporters are whipped up into a frenzy at the mere prospect of him losing. Some have even said that they believe he is God's choice!

Him and his bloody ego - his massive, massive ego, that has to be pandered to all the time, is probably going to hold the most powerful position in the world. He cannot even handle the tiniest bit of criticism without getting into a rage and posting on Truth Social sometimes during the middle of the night. These are not the reactions of a stable personality, he's unhinged - to put it in non-scientific terms.

And this is the nation that we are going to form stronger ties with, forge a trade-deal (ha!) with because we didn't want to be told what to do by 'Bwussels' - does anyone seriously believe that America will, under Trump, focus on the needs and requirements of the UK, as opposed to its own 'America first' in any deal? America will say "jump" and we'll ask "how high"? So much for our sovereignty - which we ditched the EU to 're-gain'!

Nothing whatsoever to do with leaving the EU.
We have always, since WW11, been strong allies of the US.
You're all panicking in case Trumpy gets back in. Well at least he'll be elected by all who can vote, maybe some that shouldn't too, Putin worries me far more than Trump, that is for sure.

foxie48 Mon 18-Mar-24 13:45:28

I've just read a report in the Washington Post about the abuse of officials that is happening in Maricopa, Arizona by Trump supporters who still believe there was voter fraud. It is very worrying as it does not bode well for the future election. Trump will use every means possible to stir up trouble. Whoever thought democracy would be at risk? I'd hoped we'd seen the last of Trump when he lost the last election!

Cossy Sun 17-Mar-24 18:50:20

nanna8

I’ve been called many things in my life but never, ever ‘far right’ before. I must stop voting Labor immediately, wouldn’t want to disappoint. Oh, and the time I went for the socialist candidate must have been a complete and utter mistake. No, I really do think there are unknown people behind Biden. He is not capable of leading on his own. Wake up for goodness sake!

I think he IS capable, but not for another whole term. He is too old frankly, he is getting tired, his memory is fading, BUT he is an intelligent and compassionate man and can give good speeches.

I don’t care which party Trump is representing, as a MAN he is simply not honest, not coherent and he’s either mentally unstable or has early dementia.

I even find the manner in which he speaks weird and creepy, let alone the content.

He clearly takes little or no notice of his advisors and his most ardent followers simply seem cultist and brainwashed rather than stupid and idiotic.

Dickens Sun 17-Mar-24 18:27:16

A curse on all politicians who refuse to temper their language and in so doing, whip-up the fears, worries, and perceived-threats felt by those people who believe that 'red-faced' rhetoric is "telling it like it is", rather than the rambling of a disordered mind and a personality disorder bordering on psychosis.

Historically, it has never ended well.

The personal insults that Trump publicly hurls at his opponents, mocking their appearance, or a physical defect is shocking in a grown man, let alone a prospective president of the most powerful country in the world.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 17-Mar-24 17:19:19

Either he is far more wealthy than he is admitting to, or he has extremely wealthy backers pulling his strings for their own agenda.

Politics is vastly different the other side of the pond $$$ millions of them are a factor in running for the presidency.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Mar-24 16:48:51

This

“Speaker Emerita Pelosi: We have to win this election because Trump is even predicting a 'bloodbath.' What does that even mean? He's going to exact a 'bloodbath'? There's something wrong here, you wouldn't even allow him in your house much less the White House”

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Mar-24 16:39:24

His Incoherent rubbish seems to be getting worse.

foxie48 Sun 17-Mar-24 16:12:20

Trump was speaking at a campaign rally in Ohio, got totally confused and talked rather a lot of incoherent rubbish. It is so worrying. He's totally unfit to POTUS. Below is taken from the Guardian report.
"At other times during an often wild 90-minute address, Trump tossed out personal insults at political opponents. He called Biden “stupid” several times; made a vulgar reference to the first name of Fani Willis, the Georgia prosecutor in his criminal case for trying to overturn his 2020 election defeat; called Democratic California governor Gavin Newsom “new-scum”; and attacked the personal appearance of JB Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, the New York Times reported."

GrannyGravy13 Sun 17-Mar-24 14:38:25

Whitewavemark2

foxie48

WWM2 is he on Twitter or is it Truth Social? The BBC is saying he's not used X since he was allowed back on.

Twitter.

Several people are posting what POTUS Trump has reportedly said at his most recent rally.

He himself has not posted on Twitter X since 2021 other than to post his police mugshot 25/08/2023

He does talk about bloodshed some are attributing it to if he loses, others are attributing it to a^ bloodbath in the car industry^ if POTUS Biden wins and pushes the green agenda.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Mar-24 14:32:07

Well I haven’t noticed, but it if it isn’t him, it will be either a supporter or the Biden camp making a point.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Mar-24 14:31:14

foxie48

WWM2 is he on Twitter or is it Truth Social? The BBC is saying he's not used X since he was allowed back on.

Twitter.

Dickens Sun 17-Mar-24 14:29:26

Whitewavemark2

I’m watching Trump on twitter, and it is all getting a tad worrying.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I hope the courts get to grip with him before he causes a major insurrection - because that is what it is beginning to look like.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I honestly find that quite alarming. But what is even more frightening is that people cannot see that the man is basically suggesting that he, and only he, has the right to become President. And at the same time, ensuring his supporters are whipped up into a frenzy at the mere prospect of him losing. Some have even said that they believe he is God's choice!

Him and his bloody ego - his massive, massive ego, that has to be pandered to all the time, is probably going to hold the most powerful position in the world. He cannot even handle the tiniest bit of criticism without getting into a rage and posting on Truth Social sometimes during the middle of the night. These are not the reactions of a stable personality, he's unhinged - to put it in non-scientific terms.

And this is the nation that we are going to form stronger ties with, forge a trade-deal (ha!) with because we didn't want to be told what to do by 'Bwussels' - does anyone seriously believe that America will, under Trump, focus on the needs and requirements of the UK, as opposed to its own 'America first' in any deal? America will say "jump" and we'll ask "how high"? So much for our sovereignty - which we ditched the EU to 're-gain'!

Syracute Sun 17-Mar-24 13:01:53

nanna8

Please don’t underestimate his supporters. They are not thick, they know exactly what they are doing.

Ummm, no they don’t . They just get riled up by Fox News and other right wing outlets. They have a series of right wing tropes they like to repeat . None of which makes sense .

foxie48 Sun 17-Mar-24 12:45:00

WWM2 is he on Twitter or is it Truth Social? The BBC is saying he's not used X since he was allowed back on.

nanna8 Sun 17-Mar-24 12:32:16

Please don’t underestimate his supporters. They are not thick, they know exactly what they are doing.

nanna8 Sun 17-Mar-24 12:30:42

He is very dangerous, not a good time for American politics. I really think he’s going to win and the US will pursue isolationist policies, God help us all.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Mar-24 08:06:05

I’m watching Trump on twitter, and it is all getting a tad worrying.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I hope the courts get to grip with him before he causes a major insurrection - because that is what it is beginning to look like.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 12:09:01

flump

Probably not. However, if anyone has seen Trumpists being interviewed, they don't seem to be the most erudite or intelligent people on the planet. They believe falsehoods and lies promulgated by the right-wing media. This is shockingly bad and rather sad.

I'm not disagreeing but then calling other voters (and there are a lot) by such a name doesn't seem erudite or display much intelligence either.
Of course, the rumours about the Clintons seem to be somehow suppressed.

nanna8 Sat 16-Mar-24 11:39:35

I’ve been called many things in my life but never, ever ‘far right’ before. I must stop voting Labor immediately, wouldn’t want to disappoint. Oh, and the time I went for the socialist candidate must have been a complete and utter mistake. No, I really do think there are unknown people behind Biden. He is not capable of leading on his own. Wake up for goodness sake!

flump Sat 16-Mar-24 11:01:48

Probably not. However, if anyone has seen Trumpists being interviewed, they don't seem to be the most erudite or intelligent people on the planet. They believe falsehoods and lies promulgated by the right-wing media. This is shockingly bad and rather sad.

Callistemon21 Sat 16-Mar-24 10:45:19

flump

From The Concise Oxford Dictionary; deplorable = deserving strong condemnation; shockingly bad.

Don't see how that's far from the truth.

Of course, that does depend on what "truth" one believes!

But calling a whole swathe of Americans a basket of deplorables wasn't going to go down well, was it?

It wasn't the smartest thing to say.

flump Sat 16-Mar-24 10:38:13

From The Concise Oxford Dictionary; deplorable = deserving strong condemnation; shockingly bad.

Don't see how that's far from the truth.

Of course, that does depend on what "truth" one believes!

Urmstongran Sat 16-Mar-24 09:09:08

After she called Trump supporters “a basket of deplorables” I think she caused a vote surge for the Republican Party!