Trump and Biden

Grantanow

I can usually think of pros and cons for any political leader but I can't think of any pros for Trump whereas there is a big stack of cons. Truss, too. Even BoJo has a certain amount of wit and charm.

Your post reminded me of this.

Boris Johnson, earlier this year, in his weekly Daily Mail column, backed Donald Trump as prospective President, saying that his return to the White House could be...

"just what the world needs".

He must have forgotten what he said about the man in 2015 (as Mayor) when Trump was President and planning a complete ban on all Muslims entering the USA.

"You can’t ban people going to the United States in that way, or indeed to any country"

Then, after Trump's subsequent claim that his ban was justified because immigrants had made parts of London into 'no-go' zones, Johnson observed that Trump was...

"betraying a quite stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of president of the United States.”

and

"I would invite him to come and see the whole of London and take him round the city, except that I wouldn’t want to expose Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

... which Trump appeared to be totally unaware of when he said...

“A really good man is going to be the prime minister of the U.K. now, Boris Johnson, he’s tough and he’s smart. They’re saying, ‘Britain Trump.’ They call him ‘Britain Trump.’ And people are saying that’s a good thing. They like me over there, that’s what they wanted. That’s what they need.”

Talk about making someone else's victory all about YOU!

Both men are duplicitous narcistic hypocrites, the only difference between them is that Johnson is a better-educated duplicitous narcistic hypocrite.

I thought about buying some gold trainers from him but as I'm between a 5 and a 5.5 I didn't know what size to order, then I thought about the size of his hands and decided to order a 7. (think about it)

Surely the fact that Trump has won the championship AND the senior championship many times at various Trump golf courses should persuade you how great he is?

If that's not enough, surely the fact that he has endorsed a special copy of the Bible, which you can buy for only $59.99 (and only some of the money goes to him), will be enough to get you to support him!

I can usually think of pros and cons for any political leader but I can't think of any pros for Trump whereas there is a big stack of cons. Truss, too. Even BoJo has a certain amount of wit and charm.

Wyllow3

A little light reading....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

A little light reading....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

Freya5

Lecture read. How dare you criticise me about being blasé, I was stating how I felt, Putin scares the hell out of me. Do you really think he needs a red neck to clap him on the back, or give him permission to carry out any invasion.
No more from me on this subject, as you can't even state how you feel without some holier than thou criticising. Goodbye.

If you want to read it as a lecture, that's down to you.

It was my immediate gut-reaction to your mocking comment about us "panicking" over 'Trumpy'. Which implies derision of those who are concerned about him.

If you say things that are controversial, you will get a reaction. That was mine.

I’d guess ( only ) that Trump would let Putin do whatever he wants so long as it didn’t impact directly on the USA. He would leave the Ukraine to defend itself and be wouldn’t be giving them any help. Same with Europe. He’d ignore it except for as a trade partner. On the other hand I think he would work quite closely with places like North Korea and China. As for the UK, he would maintain ties because they are still regarded as the ‘mother country’. Australia- forget it, no interest whatsoever.

Dickens

Freya5

Dickens

Whitewavemark2

I’m watching Trump on twitter, and it is all getting a tad worrying.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I hope the courts get to grip with him before he causes a major insurrection - because that is what it is beginning to look like.

He is talking about there being a blood bath in the event of him losing and the latest footage shows him standing to the USA national anthem and saluting the 6January “hostages”

I honestly find that quite alarming. But what is even more frightening is that people cannot see that the man is basically suggesting that he, and only he, has the right to become President. And at the same time, ensuring his supporters are whipped up into a frenzy at the mere prospect of him losing. Some have even said that they believe he is God's choice!

Him and his bloody ego - his massive, massive ego, that has to be pandered to all the time, is probably going to hold the most powerful position in the world. He cannot even handle the tiniest bit of criticism without getting into a rage and posting on Truth Social sometimes during the middle of the night. These are not the reactions of a stable personality, he's unhinged - to put it in non-scientific terms.

And this is the nation that we are going to form stronger ties with, forge a trade-deal (ha!) with because we didn't want to be told what to do by 'Bwussels' - does anyone seriously believe that America will, under Trump, focus on the needs and requirements of the UK, as opposed to its own 'America first' in any deal? America will say "jump" and we'll ask "how high"? So much for our sovereignty - which we ditched the EU to 're-gain'!

Nothing whatsoever to do with leaving the EU.
We have always, since WW11, been strong allies of the US.
You're all panicking in case Trumpy gets back in. Well at least he'll be elected by all who can vote, maybe some that shouldn't too, Putin worries me far more than Trump, that is for sure.

Well at least he'll be elected by all who can vote, maybe some that shouldn't too, Putin worries me far more than Trump, that is for sure.

Speaking at a rally in Conway, South Carolina, Trump recalled how as president he told an unidentified NATO member that he would withhold U.S. help and “encourage” Russia to do as it wishes with allies that do not contribute enough to military spending.

‘You didn’t pay? You’re delinquent?’" Trump recounted saying. “‘No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills.’"

(from FACT-CHECK)

If Russia (Putin) were to do "what the hell they want", it could be the beginning of WW3. Which side would Trump be on?

The fact Trump would be elected by all who can vote would be of little consolation.

Nothing whatsoever to do with leaving the EU.

One of the reasons for leaving the EU - quoted by quite a few people at the time - was because of our "sovereignty" which it was believed was under threat.

We may be allies (for the moment), but any future trade deal with America will, to put it mildly, be very much on their terms. America puts America first - and it most certainly will under Trump. He might have said nice things about our late Queen ("great lady"), but when it comes down to the wire, Trump's first loyalty is to the $$$. Which is why he couldn't give a tinker's cuss about Russia invading a 'delinquent' country.

... though it's rumoured his own financial dealings have been somewhat on the delinquent side historically.

Would you be so blasé if, for example, Putin put to the test Trump's apparent lack of concern about who he might choose to attack next, by choosing to attack Great Britain?

Putin worries me too - but Trump vindicating him worries me even more.

Lecture read. How dare you criticise me about being blasé, I was stating how I felt, Putin scares the hell out of me. Do you really think he needs a red neck to clap him on the back, or give him permission to carry out any invasion.
No more from me on this subject, as you can't even state how you feel without some holier than thou criticising. Goodbye.

He appeals to Evangelical Christians, you couldn't make it up could you? I was reading a piece in the Washington Post that many ECs distrust the state and feels the US has moved too far away from it's founding Christian roots and small state Trump is their saviour. A dishonest womaniser who is totally out for himself is preferred to Biden, who has served his country for the best part of 50 years and who is a committed Catholic.

Wyllow3

I often wonder if an ex British PM who had fostered a raid on Westminster, tried to vote rig, had very serious fraud allegations, had removed secret documents home, had spent his time as PM firing off weird tweets each night including recommending drinking bleach...

had tried to get re-elected in the UK.....

so how come the support for Trump from the UK

... quite!

I don't understand the mind-set of his UK supporters.

Possibly they believe all the allegations against him are simply a plot by the 'deep State', or they are aware of his failings but are willing to overlook them because he says what they want to hear and rails against the same people that they scorn. Or both.

What I don't fathom is that women can approve of him. The uncouth "pussy-grabbing" boast surely is enough to put any self-respecting woman right off him?

I shall possibly / probably vote for Labour under Starmer but, my goodness, if it emerged he'd said something similarly unmannerly about women in such a coarse way - that would be it... no matter how good his party's manifesto.

He's a vulgar, boorish man from the often misogynistic world of business who frequently rages incoherently at those who attempt to hold him to account; he has no finesse, a limited vocabulary and, frankly, I'd question his IQ - judging by some of the things he says.

But, obviously, opinions do vary.

I often wonder if an ex British PM who had fostered a raid on Westminster, tried to vote rig, had very serious fraud allegations, had removed secret documents home, had spent his time as PM firing off weird tweets each night including recommending drinking bleach...

had tried to get re-elected in the UK.....

so how come the support for Trump from the UK

If he can't come up with the bond, they can seize his assets and sell them. It's costing him a lot of money in interest for every day that the bond is not in place.

If he loses his appeal I suppose he will have to sell an asset or two. Shame.

It seems Trump and his lawyers asked thirty bond companies and insurance companies to post a bond of $464 million so that he could appeal his fraud conviction , but none were willing to support him.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68600093

Interesting…WWM2… a lot of interests there at work to keep Trump out.
I suspect Biden has remained as candidate as a known and middle ground democrat…not prone to unpredictable outbursts nor violence and attempts to vote rig….with a good VP .

Just reading that the Democrats have been funded to the tune of hundreds of millions of $, since the start of the year, and have squillions more money than the republicans.

Hope that translates into votes.

Also reading that the USA economy has done really well with Bidenomics.

Also reading that Labour/Reeves are going down that road - so investment and growth.

Hope it is just as successful.

Have you a source? It’s quite an allegation. (Ps, I have web searched, but what comes up is expenditure on the military etc)

Investments in weapons,too, I have been told. No idea if that is true, I hope not. Doesn’t inspire confidence.

Wyllow3

Very strongly agree. I'm very concerned - not panicked, but feel he is a dangerous man, dangerous to democracy, dangerous to peaceful ways forward (in a country with many right wing gun militia, this is a real cause for concern)

As well as what you have said Dickens, I don't think Ukraine and NATO are safe in his hands. He would probably take the US out of the World Health Organisation again.

I also can't understand why the democrats have not found a new contender, but I honestly dont know enough to know why.

I also can't understand why the democrats have not found a new contender, but I honestly dont know enough to know why.

Me neither Wyllow3 but I suspect that any prospective candidate would need a degree of 'notoriety' in some field or other (like Trump in the business-world) that singled him (or her) out as a person with the potential for success and competence - the kind of success and competence that appeals specifically to American voters who, I believe anyway, have a different 'mind-set' to us.

I might be wrong, but I think it requires quite a lot of $$$ to run a campaign - to get attention during the primaries - and some sort of 'prior fame' is needed to attract the necessary donations and funding. There might potentially be some very good Democrat bods who'd make the grade, but if they are just an "ordinary Joe" without fame or wealth, they would be unlikely to become a candidate.

I don't want to malign our American cousins, but I do think that success, American-style, is very much based on your bank-balance. Trump has boasted of his wealth previously, and that has gone down well with his supporters. I remember once commenting on a social media site where we were discussing Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter; any criticism of him was challenged with a reminder of his massive wealth.

I think Biden was worth around $8million when he took office - I believe he made some wise investments in real-estate!

In short, I think it's all about the money.

Callistemon21

No, the age difference between Trump and Biden is 3.5 years not nearly 5years: Biden was born on Nov. 20, 1942, and Trump on June 14, 1946.

Very strongly agree. I'm very concerned - not panicked, but feel he is a dangerous man, dangerous to democracy, dangerous to peaceful ways forward (in a country with many right wing gun militia, this is a real cause for concern)

As well as what you have said Dickens, I don't think Ukraine and NATO are safe in his hands. He would probably take the US out of the World Health Organisation again.

I also can't understand why the democrats have not found a new contender, but I honestly dont know enough to know why.

halfpint1

He seems to be setting up his base to commit violence if he does not win just as he did the last time. I recall he would say it had to be fraud if he didn't win and we all know what happened when he didn't.
According to some projecting figures he has lost quite a few loyal Republicans and his chances are not as good, however the noise he makes for the media gives another impression entirely.
He is a master at trickery, look how he has strung out all those court cases.

I (naively) try to find some sneaky little 'good' in those - mostly politicians - that I don't like (as opposed to disagreeing with their politics)... or some trait / characteristic that can be commended. Or, if they are really 'orrible' a reason /excuse for their awfulness. Because I'm optimistic that no-one can be all bad.

... I cannot find any redeeming quality with Trump.

He seems to be setting up his base to commit violence if he does not win just as he did the last time. I recall he would say it had to be fraud if he didn't win and we all know what happened when he didn't.

... and that is why.

He's threatened a "bloodbath" if he doesn't win this time.

Shall we be pragmatic, and assume he means an economic bloodbath?

Bearing in mind what happened on that 6th January day when a mob of MAGA supporter stormed the US Capitol in an attempt to stop the formal certification of the election results, when Trump tried to get Pence to overturn the election in his favour - if that is what he means (and that's how it's being interpreted in some quarters) - then maybe he should choose his words more carefully?

Freya5 mocks, "You're all panicking in case Trumpy gets back in".

Given the feverish adulation of some of his supporters and how they are being fired-up by his rhetoric - those like The Proud Boys for example - I believe there's every reason to be concerned (as opposed to being panicked) by the prospect of him losing the election. And as much reason to be concerned if he doesn't, Certainly those who've publicly opposed him have reason to be concerned. Like the narcissist he is, he will take all criticism very personally. I think he's a danger to democracy.

Trump didn't win the popular vote in 2016. The archaic and unfairly weighted Electoral College tipped the balance.

Trump lost both the popular vote and the Electoral College vote in 2020 by a very sizeable margin.

He is currently scrabbling to find any possibility of providing a very substantial financial bond so that he can make an appeal after being found guilty in a civil case.

Recent polls – for what they're worth – show that more than 50% of men favour Trump, but also that a slightly larger percentage of women favour Biden. The Roe v Wade debacle by the Supreme Court has encouraged right-wing states and Trump to promise more interference in women's bodily autonomy. This is likely to spur greater support for Biden from women – both women of childbearing age and their mothers who struggled for greater independence back in the day.

He seems to be setting up his base to commit violence if he does not win just as he did the last time. I recall he would say it had to be fraud if he didn't win and we all know what happened when he didn't.
According to some projecting figures he has lost quite a few loyal Republicans and his chances are not as good, however the noise he makes for the media gives another impression entirely.
He is a master at trickery, look how he has strung out all those court cases.