Is anyone interested in the terror attack in Moscow?

kittylester

I even suspect that Putin might have been responsible as an excuse to escalate the war with Ukraine and, probably, beyond.

Wouldn't be the first time Kitty - remember the 1999 Russian apartment bombings?

I don’t think Putin is behind the attack, but whether or not he knew is impossible to say, regardless of what the BBC or any other news outlet claims. Likewise I have no idea why the authorities were slow to react, if indeed they were. The authorities were slow to react to the Manchester Arena bombing too. Does that mean they were complicit in the attack or they had been ordered by the government to take their time? Of course it doesn’t.
The world is awash with conspiracy theories. Some are probably correct, others are not. I’m not in the position of knowing which are right or which are wrong, and so I take most with a large pinch of salt.

Putin is a vile man but I cannot believe he is behind this. I think it was Isis but whether or not those caught were actually the ones behind it, I wouldn’t be certain. They need scapegoats very quickly.

M0nica

The people perpetrating this horror are no more likely to have been brain washed into doing it than the people who conceived the plan. They were committed extremists.

This.

maddyone

It may be that Russia knew about this attack, I don’t know, but did our government know about the Manchester bombing or 7/7 attacks? I don’t believe they did, so it is possible that Russia didn’t know about this attack. However maybe Russia knew, I don’t know. I certainly don’t think that the government of the USA knew about the pending 9/11 attack. Sometimes conspiracy theorists go too far, in my opinion.

I absolutely agree with you.
Warnings are all very well, but if not specific are difficult to act on.
Conspiracy theories are the disease of our time.

I think Putin has now said this was an Islamist attack and not from Ukraine.
I am horrified to think that Russia may have been complicit in this attack in some way.

The people perpetrating this horror are no more likely to have been brain washed into doing it than the people who conceived the plan. They were committed extremists.

I'm afraid I have little sympathy for the perpetrators and even less for the people who brain-washed them into committing this horror. I just hope that they are the guilty ones

I hope they have the right perpetrators too. They pleaded guilty, even though one was unconscious from the injuries inflicted on him by his captors.

kittylester

I even suspect that Putin might have been responsible as an excuse to escalate the war with Ukraine and, probably, beyond.

I found myself wondering this too to my horror.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it seemed to be an attempt to tap into the same kind of sympathy response as the Hamas attack on Israel.
The attack was horrifying and the effect it has had on Russian people is heart-rending.
I'm afraid I have little sympathy for the perpetrators and even less for the people who brain-washed them into committing this horror. I just hope that they are the guilty ones.

halfpint1

maddyone

Urmstongran Macron is an attention seeker. He’d say anything that he thinks makes him look important.

He's the President of France, he is important

I think it’s more than Macron being an attention seeker. When he says ‘this group’ I read it that he means the same specific cell of terrorists tried to carry out attacks in France.
news.sky.com/story/russia-moscow-shooting-latest-ukraine-islamic-state-live-sky-news-blog-12541713?postid=7436598#liveblog-body

It isn't compulsory to follow up on a thread. Once you've started one it ceases to belong to you.

smileless The warning was more than specific enough, for thie event to have been, if not totally avoidable, that there should have been a far far faster response.

I quote from the BBC report I linked in a post above

The 7 March warning from the US to its own citizens was unusually specific. It talked of reports that "extremists" had "imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow" and specifically mentioned concerts.

This warning was passed on to the Russian government as well. The dates were slightly out, but the Russians would probably have been given the data this warning was based on and added their own intelligence.

Any competent government would have followed it up, Had extra security at all big events at appropriate venues and had the relevant civil security group on standby.

They chose not to because it enabled Putin to lnk this event, quite deliberately with the Ukraine war. I suspect that he had hpped to blame Ukrainian ectremists, but there was so much information out there showing it was islamic terrorists, that he had to present it that they were fleeing to Ukraine that was expecting them, which, of course was not true.

Galaxy

It's fine maddy I for one am glad you started it.
I never start threads either

I never start threads either

It's the commitment - if you start a thread, you have to follow-up - as maddy is doing. My day is structured such that I might not be able to return to it until 2 am.

When I read about the attack, I did wonder if someone would post about it... I imagined other GNs being shocked.

Unfortunately, I was shocked, but not surprised. I know it isn't but this seems to be the age-of-terrorism.

It's fine maddy I for one am glad you started it.
I never start threads either

I agree Dickens, I used the wrong word and for that I apologise.
I did think it strange that there was no thread on it, especially with Putin blaming the Ukrainians, completely wrongly in my opinion.
So again, apologies for a poor choice of word.

Is anyone interested in the terror attack in Moscow

Very much so, if "interest" is the right word. I spent a lot of time reading about it this morning.

But I didn't start a thread about it - mostly because I never start threads anyway.

That doesn't mean I don't care about those that have been killed and injured... it's difficult to read and process the awfulness of it, actually.

Like others, I feel a sense of helplessness at what is happening around the world at the moment. It makes me realise just how little power as individuals that we have.

maddyone

Urmstongran Macron is an attention seeker. He’d say anything that he thinks makes him look important.

He's the President of France, he is important

Would anyone trust Putin, capable of anything, we won’t get the truth.I feel dreadfully sorry for the ordinary Russianas much as I do tge very brave people in Ukraine.

IS have had Russia on their hit list for a long time, the Beslan seige was in 2004 when over 300 died, sadly most were children. I doubt it has anything to do with Gaza, more likely Russia's involvement in Chechnya, Syria and Afghanistan.

I think those in power knew something was going to happen maddy just not where or when.

We flew to Florida 10 days before and were in America when it happened. We'd never seen so many armed police at Manchester airport before or since.

maddyone It is in the public domain that Russia was warned about an attack on a facility like this
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68646375

Urmstongran Macron is an attention seeker. He’d say anything that he thinks makes him look important.

It may be that Russia knew about this attack, I don’t know, but did our government know about the Manchester bombing or 7/7 attacks? I don’t believe they did, so it is possible that Russia didn’t know about this attack. However maybe Russia knew, I don’t know. I certainly don’t think that the government of the USA knew about the pending 9/11 attack. Sometimes conspiracy theorists go too far, in my opinion.

The French president said he had intelligence that Islamic State (IS) carried out Friday’s attack in Moscow, warning Russia against exploiting the attack by blaming it on Ukraine.

Mr Macron said it would be “cynical and counterproductive for Russia to use this context to try and turn it against Ukraine”.

It's tragic, innocent people murdered when they were enjoying a concert.

The four suspects have been identified as citizens of Tajikistan by a Russian news agency, members of IS, logical because Russia supports Assad.