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Where would you begin if you were the next government?

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 31-Mar-24 13:57:25

I was just perusing the Times poll result, and I began to wonder if Labour do get into government, where on earth would they start?

It fills me with horror at the enormous mountain they have to climb.

The NHS is clearly something that needs rescuing, but then so does the economy and the rivers and poverty and homeless and potholes and the courts - on and on.

Maggierose Sun 31-Mar-24 21:53:53

Abolish the right to buy
Abolish the 2 child benefit cap
Bring back rent controls
Renationalise water

Pantglas2 Sun 31-Mar-24 21:59:53

Raise the tax free allowance to £15000 - taking so many low income out of claiming pension credit/ allowances etc.

The saving in administrative costs for the government will pay for itself.

annodomini Sun 31-Mar-24 23:04:12

Rejoin the EU.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 01-Apr-24 07:57:22

Cap on rental property payments. I have a friend in Canada who rents a rather nice apartment. The government has set a cap of 3% pa, plus the standards of accommodation are way above what we have in the U.K. .

Whitewavemark2 Mon 01-Apr-24 10:59:54

I think regarding the NHS etc, first the government needs to tackle social care as a matter of urgency - get that sorted and so much of the NHS problems would be resolved.

Katie59 Mon 01-Apr-24 11:05:30

I’m unelectable so I can say what I believe, that is those that can pay, do pay, the state only helps those that cannot, furthermore those on low incomes have responsibility to contribute.

This means health care and benefits are all means tested, no pensions unless your wealth is very low your house value is included in that.

As I said Im unelectable

fancythat Mon 01-Apr-24 11:06:09

HousePlantQueen

the first thing I would do is review the tax code so that anyone who does business in this country pays tax in this country. Not a return to the punitive taxes of the 60's of course, but a good look at situations which (legally) permit the Ritz hotel in London to pay no Corporation Tax for years. Too many large companies don't pay proportionate tax, and no, I don't think an organisation the size of Amazon will just up and leave if they have to pay a bit more tax on their massive income.

Unfortunately, I read from time to time that government lawyers are no match for big, often international, company lawyers and all their resources.
Which is why it has been going on for decades.

spabbygirl Mon 01-Apr-24 11:17:28

collect taxes properly and sort the NHS first, then fix everything else. Labour have some great people and I cannot wait to see them in action & see the back of this dreadful gov't

Doodledog Mon 01-Apr-24 13:32:46

In what sense are you unelectable, Katie59?

Oreo Mon 01-Apr-24 14:17:19

In the sense that she isn’t an MP I should imagine.

Oreo Mon 01-Apr-24 14:19:04

spabbygirl

collect taxes properly and sort the NHS first, then fix everything else. Labour have some great people and I cannot wait to see them in action & see the back of this dreadful gov't

Fix everything else?
It’s a problem if we all think that so much can be achieved in a short period of time.

nanna8 Tue 02-Apr-24 11:06:13

Stop paying the pension to everyone without a means test. That would raise a lot of money which could go to the NHS. That’s what we do and, painful though it is, it saves heaps.

biglouis Tue 02-Apr-24 11:18:36

Stop the flow of money outside this country to foreign wars and aid and concentrate all finances on British born citizens.

Nationalise all the greedy and corrupt utility companies without compensation. Sack the board of directors and promote the next level down.

Katie59 Tue 02-Apr-24 11:33:16

Doodledog

In what sense are you unelectable, Katie59?

Nobody is going to vote for me or anyone else that wants to tax wealthy home owners, they have enjoyed their wealthy lifestyle but don’t want to give any back.

Doodledog Tue 02-Apr-24 11:35:12

nanna8

Stop paying the pension to everyone without a means test. That would raise a lot of money which could go to the NHS. That’s what we do and, painful though it is, it saves heaps.

Would you repay the pension contributions part of NI to those who paid them for decades?

Changes made going forward are one thing, but retrospective changes are very wrong IMO.

Dinahmo Tue 02-Apr-24 11:40:33

nanna8

Stop paying the pension to everyone without a means test. That would raise a lot of money which could go to the NHS. That’s what we do and, painful though it is, it saves heaps.

Means testing costs a lot which is why it not often carried out, although it is easier now with the computerised tax system.
We do contribute towards our state pension through NICs and a large proportion of retired people pay tax on their SP, some at the highest rate.

Dinahmo Tue 02-Apr-24 11:58:18

I think that the NHS does need a rethink. Since the NHS first came into being there have been massive changes in healthcare- operations and treatments that were not thought of in the early days are now commonplace and that has to be paid for somehow.

We have lived in France since 2008/09, since I reached the then retirement age of 60. Although I have been asthmatic throughout my adult life, apart from that we rarely used the health system in the UK. Since being in France I have felt that we are like health tourists because we have had several illnesses treated through the French health system.

We do contribute to a mutuel - currently 253 euros for both of us. In the last 18 months I've had an emergency op, ongoing treatment for asthma and rheumatism plus cataract ops. My DH has had a knee op. If you have a life threatening illness, such as asthma can be then the state pays for all the treatment and the medications, some of which are very expensive. There are also reductions for those on low incomes.

The mutuels are nonprofit making. It is a system that seems to work well here; most of the English people that I know are retired and have also benefited from the system. None of them seem to object to it.

tickingbird Tue 02-Apr-24 12:11:57

Mental health provision needs seriously looking into. It has been cut to the bone and prisons are full of people that really should be in hospital. It’s cruel.

Casdon Tue 02-Apr-24 12:40:53

I think most of us would agree regarding the NHS, but it’s going to take a number of years, so it doesn’t really answer the question Whitewavemark posed to say it needs sorting out - I genuinely don’t see how much can possibly change on the ground initially.

In the meantime, things are so desperate in the care sector that we had a leaflet today via the postman advertising jobs from the Local Authority, for the first time ever.

Surely increasing funded training places in both health and care is something that a new government could negotiate relatively quickly, at least then there’s a fighting chance of there being a workforce for the future?

MaizieD Tue 02-Apr-24 14:03:24

Despite the financing through the mutuels, Dinahmo, last time I looked at the figures they showed that the French state directly funds healthcare at a higher rate than does the UK.

I'm sure I've posted this before, but this is an interesting report on the NHS.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/sites/default/files/2023-06/nhs-productivity-puzzle_0.pdf

I don't know if anyone on here who works for, or has recently worked for, the NHS has read it. If they have it would be good to have their comments..

swampy1961 Tue 02-Apr-24 14:31:22

That everyone who has an income - be it from pensions, working or benefits pays tax if they have more than the basic tax rate.
It isn't fair that working people pay tax to get less than someone who gains far more by claiming benefits and staying home.

Freya5 Wed 03-Apr-24 19:02:26

Katie59

Doodledog

In what sense are you unelectable, Katie59?

Nobody is going to vote for me or anyone else that wants to tax wealthy home owners, they have enjoyed their wealthy lifestyle but don’t want to give any back.

I do suggest you look at who pays the highest taxes in the UK, and how much. Eye watering. The top 1% earners pay 30% of all tax received, higher than the last 20 years. I very much dislike the politics of envy, which is a Labour view.

Allsorts Wed 03-Apr-24 19:17:19

No one comes into the country without papers, everyone should be accountable and willing to work so should speak English. Stop people from abroad having free health care. We have to get NHS back on track, it’s our jewel in the crown.
Too many people out of work so the burden falls on others.
Stop all the playground antics in Parliament, it’s ridiculous. Make people responsible for their actions.

Casdon Wed 03-Apr-24 19:18:32

What a strange argument Freya5. Are you actually suggesting that the people who earn the most shouldn’t pay higher rate taxes than those who earn less?

Granmarderby10 Wed 03-Apr-24 20:06:33

Number one on the list would be training and recruiting road workers, care workers, bus drivers, builders and …. Paying them fairly and adhering to good working practices.

Then I would acquire properties through compulsory purchase of all those slum like dwellings commanding extortionate rents, where the owners refuse to do them up to 21st century standards within a reasonable time frame say 6 months.

Offer the properties to those essential workers at “council house rents” and begin to build, build, build, high spec council houses - available for anyone who wants it NO GHETTOS of poorer families.
Build high spec health centres in these areas and employ enough GPs to cope.
Get the buses running properly (to an efficient schedule) to get the people to work everyday by paying the drivers properly.

Recruit more police for suburbs to foster community relations and reduce crime.
Labour should start how they mean to go on…if they are worthy. I don’t think there is a moment to lose since the Blair
/Brown government frittered their time away by failing to solve the homeless/ poor housing issue that is the the biggest blight on a civilised society. Everything starts at home imo.