The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

Rayner has criticised those who take advantage of right to buy.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-rayner-labour-lord-ashcroft-b2502151.html
Blatant hypocrisy.

LizzieDrip

^But they are not politicians who ‘champion the poor and underprivileged’, are they?^

So GSM, any politician who champions the poor and underprivileged should not have two houses? Is this what you’re saying?

Of course they shouldn't! They should know their place and even if all around them are getting richer by some means , they should be content to live in a rented hovel.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m afraid you’re wrong there.

Who is wrong where about what?

It's hard to follow a thread full of obscure responses..

To be honest, if the media was harassing me to disclose any financial advice I'd received, I'd tell them to mind their own business. Any HMRC investigation is separate from the current police investigation.

TinSoldier

How exactly has Rayner been in breach of the terms of her Right to Buy agreement?

I wish people would provide substantiated evidence when making allegations.

Aha! Another allegation! Is there any end to them? I repeat ... according to all the reliable reports I've read. the current police involvement concerns possible electoral fraud because allegedly Rayner put the wrong address on her nomination form ... nothing else! Not misusing Right to Buy, not avoiding capital gains tax, not being a gobby northern woman, not having a child out of wedlock when she was 16 or being coarse ... none of that!

I’m afraid you’re wrong there.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree, Primrose. Alan Johnson did very well for himself and knew how to fit into his ministerial role. A decent man and I have always admired him. Rayner just seems to delight in being coarse. If she were going to grow into her position, as he did, she would have made the effort to do so long ago.

Grantanow, if it is shown that she broke electoral law that doesn’t mean that there is no criminality. It means that there can be no prosecution. As regards tax evasion, HMRC have 20 years to investigate if they believe there was deliberate tax evasion. Her refusal to disclose the alleged advice in itself raises suspicion. An intelligent person in possession of advice to the effect that no tax was owed on the sale of their house would surely disclose it in the face of media speculation.

Criminal status requires conviction. No prosecution equals no conviction.

How exactly has Rayner been in breach of the terms of her Right to Buy agreement?

I wish people would provide substantiated evidence when making allegations.

Iam64

Fascinating that the conservative supporters on here are so outraged by a woman buying a house.

How on earth have you reached that conclusion? 🤣

When anybody buys their ex council house under the Right To Buy Scheme there are several conditions attached and paperwork to be completed honestly. AR would have known this but chose to ignore it.

So, is there now a suggestion that AR didn’t comply with regulations when buying her ex-council? Could you eleborate Primrose?

You asked that yesterday and I replied.

Why should she show evidence, to whom should she show evidence ?

LizzieDrip

^Angela Raynor by dubious methods, has robbed a family of having a home. One each for her and her husband^

Is this a serious comment? If so, please also direct it at the many second home owners who post on GN!

When anybody buys their ex council house under the Right To Buy Scheme there are several conditions attached and paperwork to be completed honestly. AR would have known this but chose to ignore it.

If she had done everything correctly she would have nothing to worry about. Simple as that! Keir Starmer knows this but is not man enough to insist on seeing the evidence. I guess he is just hoping it will all fade away.

I imagine most honest people would just show the evidence rather than prolonging this.

What dubious methods? The Housing Act 1980 gave five million council house tenants in England and Wales the right to buy their house from their local authority. Why were the Rayners’ purchases dubious? One may not agree with the sale of council homes but doing something that is allowed under the law isn’t a dubious act by the individual provided it is funded by legal means.

Tenants had been able to buy their council houses at a discounted price long before 1980. The Housing Acts of 1936 and 1959 allowed them to do so. Under the first, councils needed ministerial consent to sell stock. The 1959 Act removed the need for consent - the decision to sell resting solely with local councils.

Statistics on sales prior to 1980 are not easy to find. Between 1957 and 1960, 16,000 homes were sold in England. The 1980 Act lead to a surge in sales, around 100,000 a year in the first three years. Since 1980, over 2 million council homes have been sold.

The Housing (Scotland) Act 2014 abolished right to buy in Scotland.

The Abolition of the Right to Buy and Associated Rights (Wales) Act 2018 abolished right to buy in Wales.

After March 2017, there was a downward trend in the number of sales. There was a particularly sharp decline in 2020-21 due to Covid restrictions but numbers are rising again. In 2021-22 there were 10,878 sales, in 2022-23, 24,392.

Rayner hasn’t robbed a family of having a home. At worst, she, along with two million other individuals or families, have removed homes from rental stock managed by councils or housing associations.

As an aside, the Chartered Institite of Housing have estimated that around 40% of former council housing is now owned by private landlords. Many of those have acquired the properties by dubious means. They lend tenants the capital to buy their homes at 60% discount, give them a short hold tenancy until the debt is repaid and then evict them.

You know exactly what I’m saying, and about whom I’m saying it.

But they are not politicians who ‘champion the poor and underprivileged’, are they?

So GSM, any politician who champions the poor and underprivileged should not have two houses? Is this what you’re saying?

You have a short memory Annie.

True Iam when have the poor and underprivileged been helped by the tories

Only Labour politicians Annie - it’s perfectly ok for tories to avoid tax, own twenty properties and beef up their expense claims.

Only politicians need think of the poor and underprivileged!

Fascinating that the conservative supporters on here are so outraged by a woman buying a house.

But they are not politicians who ‘champion the poor and underprivileged’, are they?

Angela Raynor by dubious methods, has robbed a family of having a home. One each for her and her husband

Is this a serious comment? If so, please also direct it at the many second home owners who post on GN!

karmalady

Angela Raynor by dubious methods, has robbed a family of having a home. One each for her and her husband

Except that Rayner's brother was apparently living in the house she owned.

karmalady

Angela Raynor by dubious methods, has robbed a family of having a home. One each for her and her husband

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