The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

Perhaps I could leave that to you. Maybe even earlier. Just what we want to represent the UK on the world stage in Starmer’s absence.

I think she was 16 when pregnant.
I've read before that she believes that pregnancy saved her from going off the rails.

Was she 15 GSM have you counted the months ?

Or 15?

Good grief, she needs elocution lessons, pregnant at 16, should she have had an abortion, sex at 16 , shock, horror,

Yes, probably by being a sixteen year old single parent who worked hard and did well for HERSELF.

Ashcroft’s obsession with her is odd
Ashcroft can be vengeful.
Perhaps she annoyed him for some reason.

It’s simple really. Tories and the right wing media do not like Rayner and want to see her discredited and distracted by any means.

Ashcroft’s obsession with her is odd. Even The Telegraph says Red Queen?, Michael Ashcroft’s unauthorised biography of the deputy Labour leader, is detailed, but prefers triviality to true intelligence.

Party chair and deputy, Holden (2019 majority 1,146) and Daley (2019 majority 105) will both be out on their ears in a few months. This barrel-bottom scraping is their last spiteful hurrah.

MissAdventure 👏👏👏

How about being a sixteen year old single mother, and working hard enough to become an MP, while looking after a disabled child and working as a carer?

Is that looked down upon?

Plenty on here talk proudly about how hard they had it, and how far they've come.

Being a 16 year old unmarried mother is generally looked down on Jane.

By whom?

It’s quite possible Starmers team saw documents relating in part to the allegations when first made: but not their entiretywhich I’m getting more and more confused about)

But when it gets to the stage of the press door stopping neighbours it’s time to do what they have: wait for due process and in the meantime investigate with lawyers themselves.

I wish she had aspired to elocution lessons

That comment says more about the listener than the speaker.

So would I growstuff.

I’ve written about the tax side. HMRC are not going to be interested. It isn't a police matter.

Re the electoral side - I don’t undertand what wrongdoing is being alleged.

The General Election of 2015 was the only one held under the rules of the Fixed-Term Parliament Act 2011.

Rayner was selected as the Labour Party's prospective parliamentary candidate for Ashton-under-Lyne in September 2014.

The Fixed-term Parliament Act 2011 led to the dissolution of Parliament on 30 March 2015 and the scheduling of the election on 7 May 2015.

Rayner sold her house on 17 March 2015.

The deadline for submission of election nomination forms is 19 working days before the election which would have been the 10 April 2015.

The candidate’s address does not have to be on the ballot, nor does not have to be in the constituency in which the person intends to stand.

As already explained, for voting purposes in Parliamentary elections, the Electoral Commission says:

If you split your time between two homes, you may be able to register to vote at both addresses. For example, you might own two properties and split your time between them, or you might spend time at different family addresses.

You can only vote in one constituency in a General Election or referendum but you can vote in more than one council election if properties are in different wards.

It’s entirely plausible for Rayner to have been registered to vote at one address (her owned property which she was perfectly entitled to do if she spent time there) and to have put another address on her election nomination forms which, in all probability, were completed after the sale of her house.

It is possible, probable IMO, that she made an honest mistake or was badly advised. And is being advised to say nothing now.
If she’s forced out over this it will be lamentable.

The sum is trivial. AR seems to me to be personally honourable, not a loophole seeker.

And feisty, rather an Eliza Doolittle character.

There is also an allegation of tax evasion growstuff.

Being a 16 year old unmarried mother is generally looked down on Jane.

Germanshepherdsmum

Can anyone other than someone there at the time ‘know what she has actually allegedly done’? We can only know what the allegations are.

As far as I know, the allegation is to do with electoral fraud (not tax evasion, buying a council house, sounding common, being a teenage mother or anything else) so why is so much being dragged up?

JaneJudge

Not that being a Mum is something that should be looked down on anyway

Is she being charged with being a mother who sounds common? Wow! When did that find its way on to the statute books?

Nobody has mentioned her taste in shoes yet!

Can anyone other than someone there at the time ‘know what she has actually allegedly done’? We can only know what the allegations are.

Germanshepherdsmum

I wish she had aspired to elocution lessons.

For goodness' sake! Unbelievable!

Does the advice relate to the alleged electoral fraud or the alleged tax evasion? Does anybody actually know?

I agree that Rayner is accountable for aspects of her financial and electoral affairs, but I'd like to know what she has actually allegedly done - so many people already have their opinion - do they know for a fact what she's allegedly done?

Meanwhile, Rayner has said that she'll resign if she's found to be guilty. What else should she do? Be dragged naked behind a cart through the streets of Stockport?

For students of political life, this is a classic example of how to smear somebody.

‘I don’t need to see the legal advice’. I beg to differ. Sometimes one can delegate too far.

Keir Starmer: 'She's not broken any rules, she's in fact taken legal and tax advice which has satisfied her and us and me about the position.' (March/April 2024)
Keir Starmer, asked again whether he had seen the tax advice given to Mrs. Rayner, admitted he hadn't: I don't need to see the legal advice, my team has seen it.' April 7th, 2024 ff.

Having a regional accent is acceptable. I bet many Gransnetters have regional accents, myself included. It is nothing to be ashamed of, it is part of who we are or who we were.