The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

I’d like politicians that aren’t stupid enough to think that their misdemeanours won’t surface. Not saying that Angela Raynor is guilty of a misdemeanour!

To think he's trying to be POTUS...

I’m watching ch4 news on Trump. Now there we have a web of four complex criminal trials. Puts Angela in the shade

Typical dirt digging.

I fully support her.

Germanshepherdsmum

growstuff

Callistemon21

It's a problem caused by people who fall way below those standards

That's what I said.

I actually think it could make people respect her more. Nobody - but nobody - is perfect.

You really have misunderstood my post.
But, as you said, ^Nobody - but nobody - is perfect^

No, it's not quite what you said. The people who throw stones often have moral values way below the person they're throwing stones at (even if that person has pontificated in the past). I guess they do it to deflect from their own shortcomings.

In this case, Ashcroft was given a seat in the House of Lords, claiming he was going to make the UK his usual residence. Ten years later, he hadn't and was still living in Belize, when he was forced to give up his seat in the House of Lords.

He didn't just live in the same town/country and pay the same income tax and council tax. He actually avoided tax as a result of his place of abode.

Remind me - hasn’t Rayner thrown a few stones?

growstuff if you have read my posts on this and other threads you will know I have no time for Ashcroft and you are telling me things I know (and I probably know more than you too).

quite a few peopel have mastered the art of the insult thats not an insult. Sometimes they include a little smiley or a flag.

Casdon

You are I presume being ironic Primrose53, as one of the greatest proponents on Gransnet of GB News. Perhaps an interview with Nigel Farage would have been more your cup of tea? Actually, I’d like to see that too.

Casdon do keep up!
Haven’t been on there for months.

You have a real knack for making anything you write sound like an insult.

MayBee70

I don’t think Rory is still hurting over not becoming party leader. He is mainly hurting because of what he has seen his party turn into ( as have Ken Clark, Anna Soubry etc). Thanks for listening to it though; appreciate that. I must admit that I have an awful lot of catching up to do with the Leading interviews; so many podcasts, so little time!

No problem. It was lengthy wasn’t it?

I don’t think Rory is still hurting over not becoming party leader. He is mainly hurting because of what he has seen his party turn into ( as have Ken Clark, Anna Soubry etc). Thanks for listening to it though; appreciate that. I must admit that I have an awful lot of catching up to do with the Leading interviews; so many podcasts, so little time!

Apart from tge police investigation I am anazed she actually had a Council house when she was so young and so few children.

Since I have been asked and have now watched the video, here’s what I think.

AR came over much better than I expected but that was mainly due to the way AC steered the majority of questions back to her mother and her dysfunctional upbringing. Once she was asked about her father and all she said was he didn’t work and drove around in his car using the CB radio.

AC WANTED us to feel sorry for her because of caring for her mother from a young age but he didn’t want to ask about how the father could run a car whilst not working, why he wasn’t working, whether he could read etc.

To be honest I think her poor background has been done to death now and she should move on. We know all there is to know and she has come out the other side and all credit to her.

Thinking about it, they must have had more money than my parents who both worked because we could not afford a car and we certainly could not have gone to France, even with Sun coupons! My Dad passed away never having held a passport and my Mum only got one when she was 85.

A couple of times AC made himself look like a clapping sea lion and bouncing in his chair when she made remarks about the Conservatives. Very childish.

So really we didn’t learn anything that has already been said about her background. I will say she certainly has passion and drive and impressed me on that front. She was very honest about starting union work not knowing a thing and I liked that.

She did say she would end zero hours contracts - did she forget it was Labour who brought those in?

When asked how she would like to be remembered I had to stifle a chuckle when she said “council houses” bearing in mind the interview was 3 months ago before the current hooha. She may yet live to regret those words. 😉

I rather liked Rory Stewart but he is still hurt that he never got to be PM so he was careful what he said.

growstuff

Callistemon21

It's a problem caused by people who fall way below those standards

That's what I said.

I actually think it could make people respect her more. Nobody - but nobody - is perfect.

You really have misunderstood my post.
But, as you said, ^Nobody - but nobody - is perfect^

No, it's not quite what you said. The people who throw stones often have moral values way below the person they're throwing stones at (even if that person has pontificated in the past). I guess they do it to deflect from their own shortcomings.

In this case, Ashcroft was given a seat in the House of Lords, claiming he was going to make the UK his usual residence. Ten years later, he hadn't and was still living in Belize, when he was forced to give up his seat in the House of Lords.

He didn't just live in the same town/country and pay the same income tax and council tax. He actually avoided tax as a result of his place of abode.

Remind me - hasn’t Rayner thrown a few stones?

Didn’t you report him to HMRC?

Callistemon21

^Yes sure dad and kids in one house and mum with bro in another^

Oh, brilliant, why didn't I think of doing that?

You might mock. However, my former husband did think of something very similar (and more) and got away with paying Capital Gains Tax on a house he owned before he married his second wife. The children allegedly lived with him until they became adults and lived in his wife's flat (in London - they didn't), so that he could claim single occupancy council tax. His wife, allegedly, still lived in the London flat (she didn't). Not only that, but at the time he owned about ten properties and was - er - "flexible" about where he lived before he sold the rental properties, so that he could avoid CGT. Meanwhile, (and this was before Brexit), he actually spent most of his time abroad.

Callistemon21

^It's a problem caused by people who fall way below those standards^

That's what I said.

I actually think it could make people respect her more. Nobody - but nobody - is perfect.

You really have misunderstood my post.
But, as you said, ^Nobody - but nobody - is perfect^

No, I don't think I misunderstood your post.

Callistemon21

^It's a problem caused by people who fall way below those standards^

That's what I said.

I actually think it could make people respect her more. Nobody - but nobody - is perfect.

You really have misunderstood my post.
But, as you said, ^Nobody - but nobody - is perfect^

No, it's not quite what you said. The people who throw stones often have moral values way below the person they're throwing stones at (even if that person has pontificated in the past). I guess they do it to deflect from their own shortcomings.

In this case, Ashcroft was given a seat in the House of Lords, claiming he was going to make the UK his usual residence. Ten years later, he hadn't and was still living in Belize, when he was forced to give up his seat in the House of Lords.

He didn't just live in the same town/country and pay the same income tax and council tax. He actually avoided tax as a result of his place of abode.

I agree, Maybee. Stewart would make an excellent Foreign Secretary. His frustration with David Cameron over foreign affairs came across loud and clear in Politics on the Edge.

Campbell’s own struggles with his mental health will have given him an understanding of what Rayner’s mother has been through. Rayner’s explanation of the family dynamics was new to me and how those experiences were starting to manifest in how she behaved towards her own son until she received support from SureStart.

Another thing that struck me was how important her paternal gran was in helping to care for her son so that she could go to work - a job which has indirectly (or is it directly?) lead to where she is now. I loved the story of her being invited to be a delegate at the TUC in conference in Bournemouth.

As I listened to her, found myself wondering what and where she would be now had she had a different start in life. Some form of advocacy, I imagine.

Thanks again for flagging that up.

MissAdventure

Callistemon21

Yes sure dad and kids in one house and mum with bro in another

Oh, brilliant, why didn't I think of doing that?

Well, I did think of it but bro had more children than me.
Out of the frying pan etc.

Callistemon21

^Yes sure dad and kids in one house and mum with bro in another^

Oh, brilliant, why didn't I think of doing that?

Primrose53
I am sure Nannashirlz knows her own mind. She doesn’t need your patronising comments
🤷‍♀️

Yes sure dad and kids in one house and mum with bro in another

Oh, brilliant, why didn't I think of doing that?

TinSoldier

Thank you for those compliments. Anniebach and MaizieD.

And thank you to MayBee for highlighting the Leading interview (part of The Rest Is Politics with Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart.) Here it is for anyone who wants to watch and listen:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDC-FYYqYFU

This was a one hour unscripted Q&A with no prior warning of the questions. Rayner speaks from the heart, doesn’t underestimate the task ahead of a future Labour government but knows what fundamental changes are needed, the early interventions that are required to tackle poverty and what it can lead to. She’s very honest about the support she received e.g. through educational second chances and the SureStart programme when she became a parent. Her route into politics is interesting. Through care work to becoming a union rep to being asked to go to Conference just to fill a quota that required sending one young person from each branch and so on.

The interview was three months ago. Campbell asks her (59 minutes in) about how she’s going to cope with the pre-election nastiness that’s bound to come “from a desperate Tory party and its media supporters” (his words). She responds: They’ve been slow cooking me for a while - which she hopes will make her stronger in the long run. This controversy is them turning up the temperature.

After the interview ends, Campbell and Stewart discuss how she did. Both were clearly impressed.

Campbell seems to be trying to persuade Stewart to re-enter main stream politics as a Labour candidate. I would love to see that. He’s passionate about the justice system and prison reform. Minister of State for Prisons, Parole and Probation?

I think Alistair would love Rory to be foreign Secretary ( as would I!). On a different subject both Rory and Alistair do a lot of promotions for things helping people’s mental health, Alistair in particular often referring to his own struggles with depression.

Casdon

You are I presume being ironic Primrose53, as one of the greatest proponents on Gransnet of GB News. Perhaps an interview with Nigel Farage would have been more your cup of tea? Actually, I’d like to see that too.

She obviously hasn’t watched it or has any intention of doing so. So can I ask again, will those people who dislike Angela Raynor please listen to the interview and come back to us with their opinion of her after hearing it.

You are I presume being ironic Primrose53, as one of the greatest proponents on Gransnet of GB News. Perhaps an interview with Nigel Farage would have been more your cup of tea? Actually, I’d like to see that too.

Nannashirlz

Yes sure dad and kids in one house and mum with bro in another 🤣🤣 all the neighbours said she telling porkies and so is her aid but oh no it’s the tories fault 🤣 the tories weren’t living in her house. She being hiding for weeks avoiding questions it’s not one rule for one party and another for the other. She was quick to her feet to slam Boris etc knowing fine well she was just as bad has the other side. They are as bad has each other i wouldn’t trust any of them as far has I can throw them lol

Nobody knows if she is "as bad", and that would take SOME doing.
As for the separate living arrangements; it happens.

(Even on gransnet!)