The matter of Angela Rayner's house sale isn't going away.....

I dont agree that AR humiliated her mother, she talked honestly about her life. She clearly loved and loves her mum

Iam64

Anyone who has watched interviews, or read about Angela’s childhood will be aware of the love Angela shares with her mother. Her mother seems to be proud of Angela and to appreciate the care Angela gave her as a child.
I find it depressingly tribal that posters who don’t share her politics descend to accusing her of exposing, somehow humiliating her mum. If Angela didn’t talk you can guarantee people like Ashcroft will. They want to shame and humiliate Angela and her mum
Anyone who had the good fortune to be involved with children like Angela, who somehow find the resilience to rise from the tough place they started will remember those children who became adults with pride 👍🏻

Others might want to humiliate AR’s mother. She doesn’t need to do it herself. She has exploited her childhood deprivation in order to gain sympathy and advance her career. I cannot believe that anyone here would exploit their mother in this way and reveal her problems and consequent parenting difficulties to the world. If they would do so I hope they will speak up.

silverlining48

Angela Rayner is very unusual in doing so well given her deprived childhood. Having worked in child protection for over. 20 years I know how rare that is.
Instead of congratulating her I don’t understand why you are being quite so unpleasant.

completely agree Silverlining.. give her some credit

That's a polite word for it.

Please note my comment ‘this is tosh from Ashcroft’ refers to the quote from his book in eazybee’s post.

Wyllow3

Thank you Iam64 "I find it depressingly tribal that posters who don’t share her politics descend to accusing her of exposing, somehow humiliating her mum."
hear hear.

I think maybe it's wise not to speculate on a complex MH issue especially as it can be used in a denigrating way and we are not experts. (not criticising you, MissAdventure).

That's fine; I never took it as criticism.
🙂

My thoughts for Angela Rayner has been ‘I wish she would cut her hair’

Please no, Anniebach
I love her hair. It really fascinates me.

Thank you Iam64 "I find it depressingly tribal that posters who don’t share her politics descend to accusing her of exposing, somehow humiliating her mum."
hear hear.

I think maybe it's wise not to speculate on a complex MH issue especially as it can be used in a denigrating way and we are not experts. (not criticising you, MissAdventure).

This is tosh from Ashcroft! He has admitted he didn’t do the research for the book, and it had been widely dismissed by commentators and critics. GSM you may ‘despise’ AR; that’s your prerogative - I don’t care what you think. But you have stopped low in your remarks about her relationship with her mother, which you actually know nothing about. Your comments are your opinion - they are not fact!

Bipolar is possibly linked to a higher than average IQ, according to some research findings.

Anyone who has watched interviews, or read about Angela’s childhood will be aware of the love Angela shares with her mother. Her mother seems to be proud of Angela and to appreciate the care Angela gave her as a child.
I find it depressingly tribal that posters who don’t share her politics descend to accusing her of exposing, somehow humiliating her mum. If Angela didn’t talk you can guarantee people like Ashcroft will. They want to shame and humiliate Angela and her mum
Anyone who had the good fortune to be involved with children like Angela, who somehow find the resilience to rise from the tough place they started will remember those children who became adults with pride 👍🏻

eazybee

From Lord Ashcroft, who is entitled to write about whom he chooses; if it is untrue no doubt Mrs, Rayner will correct him.
If there is one thing Labour's deputy leader can be relied on to talk about, it's her deprived working-class childhood, which culminated in her becoming a mother at 16 and a low-paid home help. Again and again, Angela Rayner has returned to the topic – at Labour Party conferences, in media interviews, even in the Commons debating chamber. Along with her blazing red hair and her penchant for making inflammatory remarks, it's helped make her a semi-celebrity amid a sea of middle-class MPs.
Her advisers have tried to persuade her to 'change the record', says a former colleague, and find new things to talk about, but she refused. An ex-colleague said: 'We did say to her, 'Angela, we've got to move on from this stuff and focus on the future. You need to give them some idea of where you want to take people
But she would always hark back to her hard-luck history because it was the fail-safe method she used to disarm journalists or critics and for building up her reputation within the Labour Party. When she told her back story at Labour meetings they would always lap it up, and she would say, 'It's catnip to them.' Those were her words.
She was privately very dismissive of their response, but publicly she'd accept all the hugs and embraces people would give her as a self-proclaimed working-class heroine. She knew it played so well in the Labour Party.

It has clearly played well with her supporters on here, who believe her implicitly.

You haven’t read the thread have you eazybee?

I do know much about bipolar,, I supported my darling elder daughter from when it developed until her death, she took her life. I also supported her three children, through high school and university.
Do you know what hell children live through, the anger they hold ? Angela Rayner was so young, no father loving her, you
GSM have spoken on this thread of her being pregnant at 16,
You know this wasn’t the result of a desperate need for love ?
I have learned so much of her on this thread, my grief distracted me from politics for some years.
My thoughts for Angela Rayner has been ‘I wish she would cut her hair’ when out of recess I will definitely take more interest in her.
Mental illness causes distress for the sufferer and their families

Nobody has said they implicitly believe her.

They have said that they fail to see what crime has been committed, and will wait until it its proven, rather than believe her neighbours.

From Lord Ashcroft, who is entitled to write about whom he chooses; if it is untrue no doubt Mrs, Rayner will correct him.
If there is one thing Labour's deputy leader can be relied on to talk about, it's her deprived working-class childhood, which culminated in her becoming a mother at 16 and a low-paid home help. Again and again, Angela Rayner has returned to the topic – at Labour Party conferences, in media interviews, even in the Commons debating chamber. Along with her blazing red hair and her penchant for making inflammatory remarks, it's helped make her a semi-celebrity amid a sea of middle-class MPs.
Her advisers have tried to persuade her to 'change the record', says a former colleague, and find new things to talk about, but she refused. An ex-colleague said: 'We did say to her, 'Angela, we've got to move on from this stuff and focus on the future. You need to give them some idea of where you want to take people
But she would always hark back to her hard-luck history because it was the fail-safe method she used to disarm journalists or critics and for building up her reputation within the Labour Party. When she told her back story at Labour meetings they would always lap it up, and she would say, 'It's catnip to them.' Those were her words.
She was privately very dismissive of their response, but publicly she'd accept all the hugs and embraces people would give her as a self-proclaimed working-class heroine. She knew it played so well in the Labour Party.

It has clearly played well with her supporters on here, who believe her implicitly.

Rayner exploited her mother's inability to care for her family in order to futher her career only in your biased opinion GSM. It's not fact.

Winston Churchill was bipolar.
John Gummer publicly fed his daughter a burger in the BSE crisis.
Jacob Ree-Mogg dressed his child as a mini-me and took him electioneering.
That is exploitation for political ends. People have such short memories.

I expressly stated that I was changing the topic and what I said had nothing to do with the allegations. Yet again you use deflection as a defence of Rayner. It does you no credit.

I care not what others say or do. It is irrelevant.

Maybe you don’t know that people suffering from bipolar disorder are capable of rational thought sometimes, but not all the time .

Rayner exploited her mother’s inability to care for her family in order to further her career. That is nothing to do with enquiries into her possible breaches of the law, as I have already said. The two should not be conflated.

silverlining48

Angela Rayner is very unusual in doing so well given her deprived childhood. Having worked in child protection for over. 20 years I know how rare that is.
Instead of congratulating her I don’t understand why you are being quite so unpleasant.

Because it provides some sort of weird entertainment?

Tremendously patronising post about a woman whom you know absolutely nothing about GSM just to suit your narrative

That is being ridiculous. It was you who turned the conversation to Rayner's mother which has nothing whatsover to do with capital gains tax or electoral registration.

Rayner is entitled to speak about her life which Ashcroft was not authorised to do. And you still won't say whether you despise him for doing so.

Tories, or in this case a former Tory, Lee Anderson does very little but talk about his own disadvantaged life to bolster his public profile and has also been filmed talking to his parents to describe his background.

I know enough about bi-polar disorder to know that people with the illness are capable of rational thought and behaviour as Mrs Bowen appears to be in that film.

As I said before, I am tired of the invective. You dislike Rayner and despise some of her behaviour. I get it. There is nothing more to be said until the various authorities have concluded their enquiries.

I have not suggested that she acted under duress. Unfortunately it’s impossible to say whether she understood the reason for the questions or how far her answers might be disseminated. She has bipolar disorder - do you have experience of that? Do you deny that this was done in order to bolster AR’s public profile? If not, why would she have exposed her mother in this way?

Does this look like a woman who does not understand what is being said, does not understand what she is saying and is acting under duress?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j7s4zBSi3U

You are fabricating a narrative that isn't there just as Ashcroft, Holden and Daly have.

Her mother may have known or understood little about what was said. Only AR knows the truth. I’m surprised you didn’t already know her background Annie, being such a staunch supporter. I did and you know my politics are not yours. She’s made sure it’s been splashed around. Exploitation of a vulnerable woman.

Exactly, Anniebach. There is plenty of online footage where Rayner’s mother is speaking openly about herself to television cameras about her own struggles and saying how proud she is of her daughter.

GSM I am simple pointing out that many, many other people use broadcast and print media to tell their own stories of difficult family lives. Do you despise all of them and find their behaviour appalling and shameful?

I asked but you did not answer, whether you despise Ashcroft for “cashing in” by writing an unauthorised biography that, by his own admission, he did not research.

I really am very tired of the invective based on unsubstantiated claims propagated by three male Tories who clearly have an agenda. The shame should lie elsewhere.