Does Israel want full scale war in the Middle East?

But do you Glorianny withdraw your comparison of Gaza to a concentration camp?

In that case I withdraw my comparison because I am most definitely not antisemitic.

maddyone

Thinking about it further, I think if we must compare the situation to what the Nazis did, I think the better description would probably be ghetto.

Oh maddyone be careful. One of the provisions of the IHRA is that comparing the actions of Israel to the Nazis is antisemitic (I'm sure you are not, but this is the ruling)
holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism
It's one of the reasons some opposed its acceptance.

I think my concerns re WW2 is that as time goes on what happens can easily be lost - I'm not insisting it be "Concentration" - just that an effective term be there to remember. (and further information for generations when they study or visit places).

Thinking about it further, I think if we must compare the situation to what the Nazis did, I think the better description would probably be ghetto.

The Germans didn’t exterminate people in all their concentration camps. Some were purely slave labour camps where people worked very hard and were given very little food, and absolutely no medical care whatsoever. Often they died, but they died because of a lack of food, unsanitary conditions, and very hard, backbreaking work. Other camps were extermination camps. Treblinka, Sobihor, Belzec, and Chelmno were such camps, killing camps purely. Other camps were mixed work and death camps, Auschwitz and Majdanek were those types of camps. There were many other infamous camps which did not have industrialised killing facilities, but were concentration camps where people were starved and worked to death. Bergan Belson is such an example.
Neither Gaza nor the West Bank fit any of these descriptions.

Callistemon21

You can cal them what you like Glorianny, but history records the camps the Nazis operated as concentration camps.

They were all concentration camps, but some were extermination camps as well.
The Holocaust Museum recognises the different types of camp.
encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-camps
Just because something is in common use does not mean it is accurate.

You can cal them what you like Glorianny, but history records the camps the Nazis operated as concentration camps.

Wyllow3

I think the better off had the life described in the cities, but of course many were and many more now are in refugee camps and there has had to be food aid, MSF, and the problem of no or fouled water for a long time.

We cant stop people the world over describing situations in different countries as Concentration Camps but I still think as I wrote on page 17

I think that the term Concentration Camps should not be used for other than the WW2 atrocities.

Lest we forget - generations born now have not the sense of history remembered directly in the way us older ones knew as so very close"

As I said before the expression was coined to describe the camps the Boers and black African were held in by the British.
I think what you want to describe are better referred to as extermination camps which were what the Germans established as the final solution to the Jews.

Most of Gaza is and has been a refugee camp. Most of its inhabitants are recognised by the UN as refugees. Israel of course wants that status removed from them. Because of course they are responsible for the refugee status.
It really doesn't matter what facilities or organisations are built, or what the type of housing is, refugee camps do not need to be rows of tents.
The people living in Gaza do not belong there they have been forced to live there and they cannot leave.

I think the better off had the life described in the cities, but of course many were and many more now are in refugee camps and there has had to be food aid, MSF, and the problem of no or fouled water for a long time.

We cant stop people the world over describing situations in different countries as Concentration Camps but I still think as I wrote on page 17

I think that the term Concentration Camps should not be used for other than the WW2 atrocities.

Lest we forget - generations born now have not the sense of history remembered directly in the way us older ones knew as so very close"

It wasn't exactly a concentration camp because the borders of Gaza were borders between Palestinian territory and Israeli territory - it's a mini "country", not an area within a bigger country. There were parallels with concentration camps in the restricted movement of people & goods in & out of Gaza, & the fences, & the population density, & the fact that Palestinian farmers in fields close to the border were only allowed to access their land at certain (Israeli) specified times of the day on certain days, & the fishing boats could only go a small distance from the shore. There were elements of imprisonment.
It's unsurprising that the Gazan women look back at a time when things were "good", given the hellish conditions they've been living in for the past 6 months.

South Africa?
🤔

maddyone

I know that many buildings have been destroyed in Gaza growstuff, but I’m unsure whether the universities were in Gaza or the West Bank. In any case, I was querying the use of the word concentration camp to describe Gaza. Concentration camps don’t include universities, but of course you know that.
However you were not the poster who described Gaza as a concentration camp.

As I said amazing how many posters on GN know more than the President of South Africa and the South African lawyers presenting the case for genocide to the UN.

And 6 years ago Norman Finkelstein the son of holocaust survivors wrote about Gaza as a concentration camp. Both his parents were camp survivors
theintercept.com/2018/05/20/norman-finkelstein-gaza-iran-israel-jerusalem-embassy/.
So it isn't just a poster on GN.

Wyllow3

Gaza had 12 universities and 813 schools.

Anguished women in Gaza on TV are now asking why this is happening as they had a good life before all this devastation.

Things did need to change but it was not a concentration camp.

Gaza had 12 universities and 813 schools.

I know that many buildings have been destroyed in Gaza growstuff, but I’m unsure whether the universities were in Gaza or the West Bank. In any case, I was querying the use of the word concentration camp to describe Gaza. Concentration camps don’t include universities, but of course you know that.
However you were not the poster who described Gaza as a concentration camp.

Well they may have been transported across Egyptian territory, I don’t know. I just know that injured children were transported to Qatar via medical aeroplanes for treatment. I saw the report on the television news, but it was some weeks ago and I can’t remember the route. I just know that it happened.

Glorianny

It's irrelevant anyway. Israel has seized the Rafah crossing and closed it. No aid is going in and none of the injured are getting out.
The US are suspending arms shipments thank goodness.

Its an “if” still as regards what happens re US, depending on what happens as regards further Rafah actions/talks resumed..

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68980820

maddyone

If there are medical schools/universities in Palestine/Gaza, how can Gaza have been described as a concentration camp? Not by you growstuff but I find this puzzling.

There aren't know. They've been destroyed by Israeli bombing.

maddyone

As GrannyGravy says, and because the children have to be transported across Israeli territory. I would have thought it was obvious.

They could be transported across Egyptian territory or air lifted by helicopter.

It's irrelevant anyway. Israel has seized the Rafah crossing and closed it. No aid is going in and none of the injured are getting out.
The US are suspending arms shipments thank goodness.

As GrannyGravy says, and because the children have to be transported across Israeli territory. I would have thought it was obvious.

Glorianny

maddyone

Do the Russians have to give permission for Ukrainian children to be treated?

No.
They abduct them and take them into Russia.

They do, but only the healthy ones. They don't want the sick and injured.
But the question remains why does Israel have to give permission for injured children to be evacuated to a neutral country?

I imagine exactly the same reasons that Russia have to grant permission for the injured Ukrainian’s to be moved to safety to be treated in the areas of Ukraine under Russian control.

maddyone

^Do the Russians have to give permission for Ukrainian children to be treated?^

No.
They abduct them and take them into Russia.

They do, but only the healthy ones. They don't want the sick and injured.
But the question remains why does Israel have to give permission for injured children to be evacuated to a neutral country?

Do the Russians have to give permission for Ukrainian children to be treated?

No.
They abduct them and take them into Russia.