Brussels police ordered to attend a right wing conference attended by Braverman and Farage

X posts Cossy

He does seem to be able to attract attention doesn't he Cossy?

As I mentioned above, yes I saw on tv he was at this conference, but what shocked me and took my attention was, that a bureaucrat could shut down an event which was well published before hand, and use the police to back him up.

Our free speech is already being eroded in many ways. The internet reduces that even further.
I don't want to live in a country that continues down that path.

maddyone

Yes indeed Namsnanny, yes indeed.
It does concern me just how many people, even on Gransnet, want to shut down anyone they disagree with. Those who wish to close down Nigel Farage are denying free speech just as are those who wish to close down Jeremy Corbyn.
Free speech means just that, free speech. It doesn’t mean you can say whatever you like so long as I agree with you.

I absolutely don’t wish to close Farage down, nor anyone else who has opposing views to me and many others.

I don’t agree GNs wish to shut those down with whom they don’t agree.

I think, imo, most of us here wish to keep free speech and our rights to disagree with what’s being said. I think most of us here, imo, respect and agree with democracy.

Namsnanny

Perhaps because among his many admirers he also has many detractors 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t really know tbh

Yes your right Casdon
I'm just fascinated why the topic of free speech isn't as bewitching as NF

Namsnanny

Cossy

Quite frankly Farage, Johnson and Trump all have followers who are almost cultish in their one sided adoration.

Anyone who cannot recognise this perhaps should look again!

Hmmm, I suppose that could be said of and to others, depending on who you supported.

Perhaps you can explain why there is such a focus on NF on this thread, which is primarily about the upholding of free speech?

If you read the original post on the thread Namsnanny, it was not directly about free speech, it’s morphed into that, and Farage was specifically mentioned, not just in the title, which is why people are putting a focus on him?

maddyone 👍🏻

Thank you maddyone I'm quite sure you have explained it far better than I did, and for that alone Thanks again.

Yes indeed Namsnanny, yes indeed.
It does concern me just how many people, even on Gransnet, want to shut down anyone they disagree with. Those who wish to close down Nigel Farage are denying free speech just as are those who wish to close down Jeremy Corbyn.
Free speech means just that, free speech. It doesn’t mean you can say whatever you like so long as I agree with you.

Whitewavemark2

The Nat Cons have been entirely irrelevant since they formed themselves - and last year their conference took place with barely a glance, so they must be thrilled to have such publicity. Farage was practically jumping up and down in excitement.

One can only guess

Cossy

Quite frankly Farage, Johnson and Trump all have followers who are almost cultish in their one sided adoration.

Anyone who cannot recognise this perhaps should look again!

Hmmm, I suppose that could be said of and to others, depending on who you supported.

Perhaps you can explain why there is such a focus on NF on this thread, which is primarily about the upholding of free speech?

The Nat Cons have been entirely irrelevant since they formed themselves - and last year their conference took place with barely a glance, so they must be thrilled to have such publicity. Farage was practically jumping up and down in excitement.

Germanshepherdsmum

You seem to have had several attempts to explain yourself.

No one can say I haven't tried Gsm?

It's good to talk, or so they say.

Quite frankly Farage, Johnson and Trump all have followers who are almost cultish in their one sided adoration.

Anyone who cannot recognise this perhaps should look again!

Namsnanny

Yes you explained yourself very well, I just don’t agree with you, that’s all good

You seem to have had several attempts to explain yourself.

Cossy

Namsnanny

MayBee70
“If only people would realise how devious Farage is. He terrifies as much as disgusts me.
Perhaps you mean your comments to be helpful MayBee70?No doubt you do.

But do you realize your comment above is very arrogant?

You think you know better than those who disagree with you.
If only you could get them to see things the way you do.
The inference is you have a better understanding of, in this case NF.

May be you didn't mean it to come across in that way, but essentially this is what the opposition always says.

The same argument could be put to you, in reverse could it not?

Frankly I change or update things I think as and when.

Anyway, I don't see this unlawful closure of a conference as about NF.
It's about the blurring of the lines of lawful behaviour by those who purport to govern us.

Freedom of speech and action within the confines of the law incontrovertible so far as I'm concerned.”

Namsnanny

Sorry, but I don’t think Maybee70 came across as arrogant at all and I agree with her!

With freedom of speech comes great responsibility, one of which is speaking the truth! IMO Farage is a hypocritical, creepy liar!

You said it yourself In My Opinion

I've explained myself up thread if you would like to read it.

growstuff

Namsnanny

MayBee70

If only people would realise how devious Farage is. He terrifies as much as disgusts me.

Perhaps you mean your comments to be helpful MayBee70?No doubt you do.

But do you realize your comment above is very arrogant?

You think you know better than those who disagree with you.
If only you could get them to see things the way you do.
The inference is you have a better understanding of, in this case NF.

May be you didn't mean it to come across in that way, but essentially this is what the opposition always says.

The same argument could be put to you, in reverse could it not?

Frankly I change or update things I think as and when.

Anyway, I don't see this unlawful closure of a conference as about NF.
It's about the blurring of the lines of lawful behaviour by those who purport to govern us.

Freedom of speech and action within the confines of the law incontrovertible so far as I'm concerned.

How is the closing of the conference unlawful? The Mayor send paperwork with the lawful reasons for closure. Have you read it?

The courts ruling.

Namsnanny

MayBee70
“If only people would realise how devious Farage is. He terrifies as much as disgusts me.
Perhaps you mean your comments to be helpful MayBee70?No doubt you do.

But do you realize your comment above is very arrogant?

You think you know better than those who disagree with you.
If only you could get them to see things the way you do.
The inference is you have a better understanding of, in this case NF.

May be you didn't mean it to come across in that way, but essentially this is what the opposition always says.

The same argument could be put to you, in reverse could it not?

Frankly I change or update things I think as and when.

Anyway, I don't see this unlawful closure of a conference as about NF.
It's about the blurring of the lines of lawful behaviour by those who purport to govern us.

Freedom of speech and action within the confines of the law incontrovertible so far as I'm concerned.”

Namsnanny

Sorry, but I don’t think Maybee70 came across as arrogant at all and I agree with her!

With freedom of speech comes great responsibility, one of which is speaking the truth! IMO Farage is a hypocritical, creepy liar!

Namsnanny

MayBee70

If only people would realise how devious Farage is. He terrifies as much as disgusts me.

Perhaps you mean your comments to be helpful MayBee70?No doubt you do.

But do you realize your comment above is very arrogant?

You think you know better than those who disagree with you.
If only you could get them to see things the way you do.
The inference is you have a better understanding of, in this case NF.

May be you didn't mean it to come across in that way, but essentially this is what the opposition always says.

The same argument could be put to you, in reverse could it not?

Frankly I change or update things I think as and when.

Anyway, I don't see this unlawful closure of a conference as about NF.
It's about the blurring of the lines of lawful behaviour by those who purport to govern us.

Freedom of speech and action within the confines of the law incontrovertible so far as I'm concerned.

How is the closing of the conference unlawful? The Mayor send paperwork with the lawful reasons for closure. Have you read it?

Casdon

Namsnanny

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage has his fans. It is arguable that some are sufficiently blindsided by his rhetoric, which chimes with their own views, that they don’t see how devious and dangerous he is.

Again Gsm arrogant of you to think you know how other people think and make decisions for themselves.

Surely Germanshepherdsmum is right to say that? Every controversial public figure has some followers who are zealots who believe everything they say and do, however outrageous that is to bystanders.

I think either I'm not explaining myself well enough, or there is some other kind of miscommunication going on here.

Anyone can have an opinion, and say anything they like.

I'm suggesting that saying you know why or how another persons mind works is subjective.
It cannot be proven and therefore is very unreliable.

The contentious words are they don't see.....

Anyway, another cat among the pigeons question is, who is more dangerous, a petty bureaucrat in Brussels or NF?
Answers on a postcard

Germanshepherdsmum

Thank you Casdon. Zealots is a very appropriate word. We see it with Farage, we see it with Trump. They know what some people want to hear and tailor their rhetoric accordingly.

That could be said for any prospective politician or political party in waiting.

The MPs say what they think the electorate wants to hear and once elected votes in accordance with its party line/whip and the ruling party comes up with various reasons/excuses not to implement what was pledged in its manifesto.

I have no idea who I shall give my vote to in the GE, it will probably be a local independent candidate.

Thank you Casdon. Zealots is a very appropriate word. We see it with Farage, we see it with Trump. They know what some people want to hear and tailor their rhetoric accordingly.

Namsnanny

Germanshepherdsmum

Farage has his fans. It is arguable that some are sufficiently blindsided by his rhetoric, which chimes with their own views, that they don’t see how devious and dangerous he is.

Again Gsm arrogant of you to think you know how other people think and make decisions for themselves.

Surely Germanshepherdsmum is right to say that? Every controversial public figure has some followers who are zealots who believe everything they say and do, however outrageous that is to bystanders.

Germanshepherdsmum

I have seen it for myself Namsnanny. I would liken it to the adoration of Trump.

No, you can't possibly 'know' how others come to their decisions. Or why they are different to your own.
All you can do is surmise.
Which leaves the door open for changing ones mind when new information comes along.