Angela Rayner lashes out and calls Sunak “pint sized loser”.

This thread has very little to do with what she said.
It's full up with people talking about the gutter, her knickers, her mother's mental health, her being pregnant young...

I have not defended what she says, it’s the use of her childhood which was not of her choosing., her roots !

Where we have come from our roots is unchangeable, and beyond our control.

Precisely.

And not of a child’s choosing

Alan Johnson’s childhood was not dissimilar. Look at the difference between them. He became a man who could talk to anyone, prince or pauper, and was a credit to his Party when in government. He rose above his background and if he hadn’t have spoken of it people would have been none the wiser when hearing him speak. A gentleman. Rayner, by contrast, seems determined to appear as common and coarse as she can. She has no sense of propriety.

Nothing to be ashamed of, either.
Any more than others should feel superior because of the circumstances they come from.

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The number of personal insults about Rayner just on this small board over the last two weeks far exceeds anything she said. So much for practising what one preaches.

Anyway … pint-sized is not a derogatory term. It is simply a colloquial term for diminutive (OED) - which Sunak is in terms of physical size and political stature. Loser? Well, we all know that the Tories are on target to lose the next election under his leadership so that’s also destined to be accurate.

Just for good measure (pun intended) - these from the Telegraph:

Planet of the Imps - why so many short men make high office and

Rishi Sunak draws the short straw meeting tallest MP … The PM is the most diminutive leader since Winton Churchill who was the same height … Rishi Sunak is used to being snapped with political giants.

Good grief, it’s like Downton Abbey here , causes me to wonder

Anniebach

How did Churchill survive ,his body lay in state for three days, have a state funeral, voted the greatest Briton, not in
South Wales

Because he was conservative? Born in Blenheim Palace ?

'My dear you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be ugly': Winston Churchill tops poll of history's funniest insults | The Independent

IIRC it was in reply to Bessie Braddock, who’d said, ‘Winston, you’re drunk!’

‘Bessie, you’re ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober.’

The thing about Winston’s insults, IMO, was that there was an element of wit involved.

Ditto his replay to IIRC Nancy Astor, who’d said ‘If you were my husband, I’d put poison in your coffee.’

WC: ‘If you were my wife, I’d drink it.’

No sense of propriety GSM? Then all I can say is that she'd be in very good company as a member of the opposition.

GrannyGravy13

Where we have come from our roots is unchangeable, and beyond our control.

Unchangeable … like Sunak’s height!

Why can’t a person with an accent talk to anyone

Which has zero to do with Rayner's pants, the gutter, her caring for her mum, her being pregnant at 16, or anything else that has been used as ammunition against her.
You (or perhaps I) would like to think that women would champion her cause.

To come from such poor beginnings and be in the position she is now is no mean feat - particularly in the face of such discrimination.

Exactly Sparklefizz

I am unsure what I think of Angela Rayner, she has managed to pull her self up by the proverbial bootstraps, which I admire in anyone.

I do think times are changing regarding politics/politicians around the world. I recall much derision when President Zelensky was elected, a has been comedian was one of the insults. He has excelled in the years since Russia has waged war on his country.

I shall endeavour to keep my mind open and remember cometh the hour, cometh the man(women)

Anniebach

Why can’t a person with an accent talk to anyone

Nobody has said that.

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GrannyGravy same for me

What a thoroughly unpleasant woman she is, and the thought of her possibly being our deputy PM fills me with despair.

But, we haven’t had the election yet. It’s not all done and dusted. Despite Labour being far ahead in the polls, it’s said that there isn’t a lot of enthusiasm for Starmer and even less for the vulgar Rayner.

She did rinse Dowden, there was no need for her to make a personal remark about Sunak as well, she’d already won the battle. However, whatever some Gransnetters may wish, it’s not even made the headlines today, and it won’t make any difference to the polls. There’s so much straw clutching going on, it’s amusing.

Anniebach

Why can’t a person with an accent talk to anyone

You’ve missed the point completely. Nobody has said that anyway. There are scores of people with strong accents in public life but they still speak politely. Look at the Speaker, he manages it!

I have a friend who is a retired university lecturer with a really strong Derbyshire accent which has never changed (and nor should it) and she was equally at home with students from all over the world to the top experts in her field.

Angela Rayner is at home with people across the board, too.

Do you have evidence for that? Can she converse easily with world leaders without shaming our country?

Well, well. I have just heard on the radio that pint sized loser is a quote from Nadine Dorries about Sunak. Perhaps someone who has read her book can confirm.