Scottish political mess. Is Devolution working?

Cath9

I’m just listening to the council votes, although what one expects when the younger lot expect to keep the low mortgages etc.
We are all entitled to our own opinion but I certainly would not be happy to find a lady, who left school without any qualifications, had a child aged 16 etc to lead our country when Kerr Starmer is busy.

What has council elections got to do with low mortgage rates?
We were very well served by the very well educated and supposedly morally upstanding Ms Truss - NOT

Sorry - wrong thread!

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I’m just listening to the council votes, although what one expects when the younger lot expect to keep the low mortgages etc.
We are all entitled to our own opinion but I certainly would not be happy to find a lady, who left school without any qualifications, had a child aged 16 etc to lead our country when Kerr Starmer is busy.

OldFrill

Katie59

Our only nuclear deterrent is base in Scotland, if that closes it will be no loss to us because the missiles are serviced at the US submarine bases.

Surely rUK should be allowed to discuss it. That's the point of the post.

Its not important to the UK either the Scots want the jobs associated or they dont, probably an independant Scotland will want to remain in NATO and contribute in other ways.

Katie59

Our only nuclear deterrent is base in Scotland, if that closes it will be no loss to us because the missiles are serviced at the US submarine bases.

Surely rUK should be allowed to discuss it. That's the point of the post.

Our only nuclear deterrent is base in Scotland, if that closes it will be no loss to us because the missiles are serviced at the US submarine bases.

Elegran

The Scottish Nationalist party is a PARTY, as is Salmond's party., just as the Conservative party is a PARTY. Should the United Kingdom be totally and permanently identified and categorised according to the views of the party currently in power at any moment, which could change overnight when election results votes are counted?

Neither the Conservative party nor the SNP is the sole permitted party in their respective parliaments. The UK as a whle and Scotland as part of it are neither of them one-party dictatorships.

Independence is only one possibility, and whether it is destined to happen or not, it does not exist in 2024. The current situation, which doesn't look like changing overnight, is that domestic affairs are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, which is chosen by the Scottish people, while other issues are reserved to Westminster. That is no threat to anyone outside Scotland, so could those who live outside that country, and mostly have never even visited, please concentrate on cleansing the Augean Stables in Westminster.

Scotgov funds 10 international "hubs" even though foreign affairs are not devolved. It's keen to promote itself globally so l think anyone from any country should be interested in Scotland and form/express opinions.
Scotgov is anti nuclear weaponry/energy which could very much concern rUK so reasonable that all UK should be aware and informed, firm and express opinions.
Our air, lands, seas are shared, one running into another, there is no border of any kind, there should be no border on thought and opinion.
Censorship is high on the SNP agenda, recognise the dangers and never restrict the general right of expression.

Bump

Bump

The Westminster should make it clear that Independence means just that, no cherry picking and a customs border, so voters get a clear idea what they are voting for. The nonsense we had during the Brexit chaos must not be repeated where voters were deceived.

I don’t know whether the Scots will be better off independant or not, probably nobody does, but any idea of hanging onto Englands coat tails should be ruled out. When that happens the nationalist parties will loose a lot of support and we will have sensible politics

Strategic bump for t***l avoidance.

Scottish political mess. Is Devolution working?

Diverting attention away from the question by attacking elsewhere does not answer the question.

The Scottish Nationalist party is a PARTY, as is Salmond's party., just as the Conservative party is a PARTY. Should the United Kingdom be totally and permanently identified and categorised according to the views of the party currently in power at any moment, which could change overnight when election results votes are counted?

Neither the Conservative party nor the SNP is the sole permitted party in their respective parliaments. The UK as a whle and Scotland as part of it are neither of them one-party dictatorships.

Independence is only one possibility, and whether it is destined to happen or not, it does not exist in 2024. The current situation, which doesn't look like changing overnight, is that domestic affairs are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, which is chosen by the Scottish people, while other issues are reserved to Westminster. That is no threat to anyone outside Scotland, so could those who live outside that country, and mostly have never even visited, please concentrate on cleansing the Augean Stables in Westminster.

Casdon

PS on the subject of Scotland, they still have Remploy.

The last Remploy factory closed 10+ years ago. Remploy Scotland helps deliver the First Start scheme which l think is being superceded by yet another scheme .....

Some foreign journos, who don't know geography of these Islands may conflate this, but I have never in all my 70 odd years heard this put about. An overworked imagination maybe,?

PS on the subject of Scotland, they still have Remploy.

Me too Anniebach, there was a large one in Aberdare which I visited about thirty years ago. I was in two minds then about whether it was right to have one factory type environment which provided work for people with such a hugely diverse range of disabilities. It was good for some, but others would have fitted well into work in less segregated environments - and they told us as we chatted to them.

I can remember Remploy factories

Sorry. Wrong thread! Ignore me. 😁

There used to be an organisation called REMPLOY that offered practical skills and work to people in disablement.

I wonder if the funding was withdrawn, if not what happened?
Maybe Labour could bring it back.

The outstanding fault with Devolution is that the governance of England was not also devolved. The result has been that the House of Commons, with a huge preponderance of English MPs passes legislation which suits England but is imposed on the whole UK affecting all member Countries of the UK whether it suits them or not. English MP's can and do block legislation formulated by the devolved parliaments as demonstrated profoundly by Brexit.

Elegran

^"why should the regions of England not aspire to devolved powers, if that happened the function of the Westminster government would be much more clearly defined? "^ Seconded, Casdon

And, Katie Devolution does NOT remove Scotland from the UK, so why demand the the Scots "either stay in the UK, or leave" Though many decisions are devolved to the Scottish parliament, Scotland does not leave the UK by making those decisions which most affect Scots people" They still join in discussions over what effects the whole of the country - BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL A PART OF THE UK

Obviously devolution does not remove Scotland from the UK but they are not satisfied with that they want more, in fact Independance is the aim of nationalist parties, let them have it.

I don’t claim to know who benefits financially by that, just as during Brexit polititians did not have a clue what the financial result would be, yet persisted with their own agenda

keepingquiet

Some journalists do their homework too instead of just spouting off right wing rhetoric like this one does.

I don't think this journalist has any problems paying her bills, unlike many people in this country.

As far as I'm aware she has no connection to Scotland either.

Are you implying that only people with a connection to Scotland can offer an opinion on anything relating to Scotland?

You have no idea whether or not Ms Tominey has problems paying her bills.

Some journalists do their homework too instead of just spouting off right wing rhetoric like this one does.

I don't think this journalist has any problems paying her bills, unlike many people in this country.

As far as I'm aware she has no connection to Scotland either.