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Humza Yusaf's resignation speech

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M0nica Mon 29-Apr-24 20:00:51

What a joy it was to listen to, not for political reasons, but because of his command of language and oratorical skills.

His speech was measured with a beautifully chosen vocabulary and a measured delivery.

Nowadays when Boris Johnsons expostulations and arm waving is considered the epitome of political oratory. It was just so nice to hear a politician who really did have a command of language and delivery.

He may of course have been talking drivel, I wasn't really concenrating on what he said, but how he said it.

Callistemon21 Fri 03-May-24 10:08:52

M0nica

Susieq62 If you make a statement like that you need to post the evidence to support it.

Making random accusations like yours without evidence, is in itself a racist statement.

My thoughts too.

OldFrill Fri 03-May-24 10:06:50

Susieq62

I SUSPECT that there are some readers/ contributors on this forum who would criticise any person of colour despite their role, positions, background etc. As I say on a regular basis to those with whom I connect, I judge people by their behaviour to me , my family and my community.

You are judging by suspicion. Odd.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 03-May-24 10:03:47

Diehard SNP supporters are not noted for recognising the faults of their leaders or the fantasy that is their cause.

OldFrill Fri 03-May-24 09:46:10

Bonnybanko

Youl have noticed oldfrill Humza beat the vote of no confidence I’m so pleased for him like I said he’s a decent man in my view and many others, better than some I can mention

The government "beat" the no confidence vote because Yousef resigned. He caused both no confidence votes by his well known temper ill thought out actions.
Decent? He's been well criticised before and during his short term in office. He split the SNP apart and set back Independence.
In each of his ministries he left a legacy of negativity, oh and the Michael Matheson debacle lost him +++public support. Power was all and integrity zero.

NotSpaghetti Fri 03-May-24 09:12:36

Oreo - if you are friendly enough to know your postman's family, why not tell him you'd like your post pushed through?

He may not realise what he's doing as I know rounds keep on increasing and he's probably rushing.

Just a thought.

Galaxy Fri 03-May-24 09:08:20

I judge people on their behaviour. Particularly the behaviour of shouting bigot at those who hold different views to you. In my experience those people are very frightening.

Urmstongran Fri 03-May-24 08:47:35

but ignored the fact that 5% of the total MSPs were ethnic minorities- which reflected the percentage of the Scottish population. It's the SNP tactic of deflection and distraction, the truth isn't relevant

Back of the net OldFrill. 👏

M0nica Fri 03-May-24 08:40:38

Susieq62 If you make a statement like that you need to post the evidence to support it.

Making random accusations like yours without evidence, is in itself a racist statement.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 03-May-24 08:29:48

Pretty overt I would say.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 03-May-24 07:41:36

Susieq62

I SUSPECT that there are some readers/ contributors on this forum who would criticise any person of colour despite their role, positions, background etc. As I say on a regular basis to those with whom I connect, I judge people by their behaviour to me , my family and my community.

Is that a thinly veiled accusation of racism?

Susieq62 Fri 03-May-24 07:26:59

I SUSPECT that there are some readers/ contributors on this forum who would criticise any person of colour despite their role, positions, background etc. As I say on a regular basis to those with whom I connect, I judge people by their behaviour to me , my family and my community.

Bonnybanko Fri 03-May-24 03:53:38

Youl have noticed oldfrill Humza beat the vote of no confidence I’m so pleased for him like I said he’s a decent man in my view and many others, better than some I can mention

OldFrill Fri 03-May-24 01:45:43

Wyllow3

I think a careful reading of the whole speech is important. Including a police statement that no hate crime was committed. He's certainly passionate about racism and who holds the most significant positions of power, not surprising in a Black Lives Matter debate.

He can't do the maths though, that's why his speech was a nonsense. Regardless of whether it was racist or not, anyone in his position should be astute enough to edit a speech so it's not ambiguously contentious (unless that's the intention, and he's not that bright).

Namsnanny Fri 03-May-24 00:41:32

Donate if you like Wyllow3

Namsnanny Fri 03-May-24 00:38:50

above answer to OldFrill

Namsnanny Fri 03-May-24 00:35:39

The thinly veiled blasphemy bill.

Wyllow3 Fri 03-May-24 00:27:01

Black Lives Matter as an organisation is completely discredited now, if anyone is thinking of donating.

Black Lives Matter is not a single organisation. It was/is a social movement composed of many different groups, still mainly centred in the USA. One can support aspects of it and not others and this is reflected in the breadth of the organisation.

wiki (in depth on the movement)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter

includes

* While there are specific organizations that label themselves "Black Lives Matter", such as the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, the overall movement is a decentralized network with no formal hierarchy.[9] As of 2021, there are about 40 chapters in the United States and Canada.[1] The slogan "Black Lives Matter" itself has not been trademarked by any group.[10]*

Wyllow3 Fri 03-May-24 00:21:26

I think a careful reading of the whole speech is important. Including a police statement that no hate crime was committed. He's certainly passionate about racism and who holds the most significant positions of power, not surprising in a Black Lives Matter debate.

OldFrill Fri 03-May-24 00:18:07

The speech was, like most of his actions, very poorly thought through. It alienated many when he should have been striving to promote unity (in his Party). I never understood why he was so capable of shooting himself in the foot. The Hate Bill is, rather fittingly, his awful legacy.

Namsnanny Fri 03-May-24 00:06:07

Exactly.
I'm sure he was hoping naive people wouldn't give it the scrutiny that others did.

Black Lives Matter as an organisation is completely discredited now, if anyone is thinking of donating.

OldFrill Thu 02-May-24 23:17:49

^Today 22:30Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

Susieq62

Have I missed the racist bit? He was just stating how far we have come over the last 50 years in terms of who leads us. If you closed your eyes and listened to this speech you would have no idea of his colour, age, race, religion. He just sounded quite professional and passionate to me. But then I take people on their actions and behaviours .

He made his white, white, white speech in June 2020

Just checked it out. It was a the height of the Black Lives Matter movement and therefore the speech was specifically on that topic.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/humza-yousafs-controversial-white-speech-32575111

this is the whole of the speech. The bit people complain about - inevitably - was only a chunk of the speech that puts it in context.

I didn't find it offensive in the Black Lives Matter context at all. He was right - about how many minorities were represented in powerful roles at the time in Scotland, practically none.

In his resignation speech he alludes to the speech indirectly by saying things had moved on for the better^

He was scoring a point suggesting there was structural racism but ignored the fact that 5% of the total MSPs were ethnic minorities- which reflected the percentage of the Scottish population. It's the SNP tactic of deflection and distraction, the truth isn't relevant.

Wyllow3 Thu 02-May-24 22:30:19

GrannyGravy13

Susieq62

Have I missed the racist bit? He was just stating how far we have come over the last 50 years in terms of who leads us. If you closed your eyes and listened to this speech you would have no idea of his colour, age, race, religion. He just sounded quite professional and passionate to me. But then I take people on their actions and behaviours .

He made his white, white, white speech in June 2020

Just checked it out. It was a the height of the Black Lives Matter movement and therefore the speech was specifically on that topic.

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/humza-yousafs-controversial-white-speech-32575111

this is the whole of the speech. The bit people complain about - inevitably - was only a chunk of the speech that puts it in context.

I didn't find it offensive in the Black Lives Matter context at all. He was right - about how many minorities were represented in powerful roles at the time in Scotland, practically none.

In his resignation speech he alludes to the speech indirectly by saying things had moved on for the better.

Callistemon21 Thu 02-May-24 22:05:08

Did she mention the double seats in the back row? 😁

Oreo Thu 02-May-24 21:06:53

Apologies for taking this thread for a trip down memory lane.
Normal service will be resumed soon.

Oreo Thu 02-May-24 20:58:07

🤭sorry about that.
She says she also liked the long intermission where you could go to ‘the lav’ then queue up for an ice cream and that the girls selling ices would then walk about looking down the rows of seats for more customers.
The only thing she didn’t like, being a non smoker was all the billowing smoke as so many people ‘lit up’ at that time.
I’ve told her she should write all this down to pass onto our young grandkids.