Humza Yusaf's resignation speech

Callistemon21

Well, at least he fell on his sword which is more than some leaders do who try to hang on by their finger-tips, scrabbling frantically until they have to be pushed.

I respected that too I think it really counts. I hope a more stable situation can be reached before the GE with clear policy. From my personal POV I hope Scotland will stay in the UK but its not up to me, its up to Scottish citizens.

He was pushed as his potential deal with Alba wasn't allowed. If he hadn't gone he would not only have lost the no confidence vote (which was withdrawn once he stood down) but also the no confidence vote in the government and that would have caused an election. He was well and truly pushed on that sword, he had no way out. Nowadays the "hierarchy" of the Party is in control, not it's First Minister.

Well, at least he fell on his sword which is more than some leaders do who try to hang on by their finger-tips, scrabbling frantically until they have to be pushed.

Ah- the Scottish Whisky is a wonderful thing, especially if you are in a ranting mood !

If it's accuracy you want best not to rely on paddyann who never comes back to retract inaccurate posts, whether using shouty capital letters or not.

Maybe I should point out that Scotland has had just 3 FM's since the early 2000's

Thers have been six, paddyann

The first three First Ministers presumably don't count because they were Labour Party politicians.

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OldFrill

paddyann54

Maybe I should point out that Scotland has had just 3 FM's since the early 2000's,

Yet again here I am correcting your errors, don't have time for all your rant but this is the correction for your first statement quoted above, nothing you say has any credibility
There have been 4 FMs since the early 2000s, in fact 5 since 2000.

Humza Yousaf
2023 to present (he's still in office)

Nicola Sturgeon
2014 to 2023

Alex Salmond
2007 to 2014

Jack McConnell
2001 to 2007

Depends on the definition of early 2000s.

There was also Henry McLeish
And of course Donald Dewar.

DH: "Well, at least he lasted longer than Truss."

paddyann54

Maybe I should point out that Scotland has had just 3 FM's since the early 2000's,

Yet again here I am correcting your errors, don't have time for all your rant but this is the correction for your first statement quoted above, nothing you say has any credibility
There have been 4 FMs since the early 2000s, in fact 5 since 2000.

Humza Yousaf
2023 to present (he's still in office)

Nicola Sturgeon
2014 to 2023

Alex Salmond
2007 to 2014

Jack McConnell
2001 to 2007

From the bit I understand about the SNP (which is very little), it seems that their time (albeit temporarily) is past.

When the push for independence was at its height, the SNPs time was right, but it appears that as a political party for independence they are the go to, but as a political party running a country - they are rubbish.

Me, snarky? 😁 just facts to share.

HousePlantQueen

Urmstongran

Yikes! What a speech. Well modulated, erudite. And yet …
Another racist speech by Humza. ‘People like me’ and if I was to say “people like you” I would be accused of racism. Keen on his family now … don’t suppose he ever had an affair?
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Oh for heaven's sake, why must you always make snarky comments? I thought his speech was from the heart, was genuine, was dignified and I am no fan of the SNP.

Urmstongran is right though.

The delivery was beautiful, but the content questionable.

Urmstongran

Yikes! What a speech. Well modulated, erudite. And yet …
Another racist speech by Humza. ‘People like me’ and if I was to say “people like you” I would be accused of racism. Keen on his family now … don’t suppose he ever had an affair?
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Oh for heaven's sake, why must you always make snarky comments? I thought his speech was from the heart, was genuine, was dignified and I am no fan of the SNP.

paddyann This thread started as a one complimenting the leader of the SNP for a beautifully crafted speech well delivered.

You remind me of an old uncle of mine who always assumed every compliment to him, was an attempt to belittle him and run him down.

I have no idea what HY said in the speech, I wasn't listening to the sentences just the words and delivery.

Here’s a good article, demonstrating that you absolutely can separate the content of a speech from its delivery. The finest words from a dull speaker don’t have power. Note what this article says about The Beast of Bolsover - arguably the last great orator we have had in the UK. It’s a gift, and not many people possess it.
www.phoenixmag.co.uk/article/from-dennis-skinners-cutting-jibes-to-churchillian-oratory-what-makes-a-great-political-speech/

You cannot separate the content of speech from its delivery,otherwise it may just as well be gobbledygook.

Presents as a demagogue to me.

I think the SNP won’t have such power from now on.

I wasnt discussing the content Louella12.
Nor was I intending to stir up feelings.
Just airing my conclusions about HY speech, and giving examples why.

HY white speech was a good example of what I mean.
His tone and body language emphasized the word white perfectly

That speech, however well delivered in your opinion, was absurd.

Scotland's population was approx 96% WHITE at the time.

What did he expect?

It was verging on racist.

What if a WHITE person made a similar speech from their perspective? Can't see that going down too well.

Iam 9.04 👍
Casdon 8.23 👍
Urmstongran 8.31 👍
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Tickingbird 9.28 👍.

We live in the sound bite era.
It might be a shame that some politicians cant/wont deliver a technically perfect speech, from the perspective of the listener, but I think it is harder now, for people to listen to the cadence, syntax etc of a speech if they don't engage with the content.

I understand you didnt care two hoots about what HY was actually conveying in his r speech.
But I see a good orator as one who carefully hits an emotive word or phrase with a carefully crafted tone.
Which imv conveys the substance of the points to be made throughout or in conclusion of the speech.

HY white speech was a good example of what I mean.
His tone and body language emphasized the word white perfectly.

Anyway, I shall watch his RS with new eyes after your comments.

We must not mention Scotland unless we actually live north of the border.
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All the fault of the English and that den of iniquity Westminster. Nothing to do with Sturgeon and Yousaf’s barmy politics.

Iam64

So it’s all the fault of the wicked English

Oh, I thought all had gone quiet on the Northern Front.

We must not mention Scotland unless we actually live north of the border.
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So it’s all the fault of the wicked English

Maybe I should point out that Scotland has had just 3 FM's since the early 2000's
TWO since 2014 Nicola Sturgeon and Humza Yousef
Can I further point out that the so called UK has had in just 8 YEARS 6 YES THAT is six PM's
6 Chancellors of the Exchequer
8 foreign secretaries
and 8 home secretaries

I dont recall the brouhaha that going on now.All because Humza sacked before they jumped ship...the greens
Not even when the Lib Dems and the Tories parted company
WHY are we treated differently from England.Seems they can lie,cheat ,steal from the public purse ,commit crimes AND STILL be acceptable to most on here .Now of course D ross the MSP with 3 jobs and several instances of undeclared money to his name ,has dropped the vote of no confidence .IT was all a ploy ...and you know what most of us see and have seen whats been going on...WM will do anything to get SNP out of power ..I doubt that they'll succeed!!

Being a decent person doesn’t mean you can do the job well.
My postman is a decent sort, I know him and his family but as an efficient postman, he sucks! Mail is only half stuffed through letterboxes meaning anyone can pull it out and walk off with it.
I think we are all so fed up with politics that if a person seems half decent we think, yay, without thinking if they’re actually any good at their job.
After now listening to his farewell speech I think it was a pity party for himself.