Immigration and migrants

Germanshepherdsmum

If all these single young men who congregate and make themselves a nuisance to women and others were in work (and that’s a big ‘if’ for those who don’t speak English and have no useful skills), that would only occupy them for part of the 24-hour day and seven-day week. In their free time they would continue as before. And what of the future? They will want to find a partner - but how likely is that? To put it bluntly, they will want sex - where are they going to find consensual sex? And what when they don’t?

Bit like the white-faced, English-speaking young men who hang around my town's high street outside chippies and fried chicken places in the evenings (and many other high streets).

Little known (judging by comments here - ) they can volunteer officially, too, but that tends to be centred around towns with refugee centres and the organisation to do so.

It’s their culture which is the problem Cossy (I think you meant potential rapists, not racists). Most come from countries where women have few rights and we have seen ample evidence of how those who expect to marry a virgin of their own religion (and they will be in short supply) use and abuse white girls.

It doesn’t matter what work might be found for them (and again I say ‘if any’), they will have a lot of free time in which to continue being the nuisance many of them currently are.

GSM

I’m not sure your inference that most single young male immigrants are potential racists is very helpful! Of course, I’m not naive enough to believe that a small percentage of those coming into our country won’t turn out to be criminals or even terrorists.

The kind of work I was thinking of is the following:-

Assistant gardeners, refuse collectors, street cleaners, drivers mates, general labourers and cleaners.

Nothing where they are likely to come into contact with vulnerable groups or need DBS checks (which couldn’t be done anyhow)

They could be given limited visa to do this and could at least spend their time usefully helping the country which they appear so keen to become a part of. At least it might be a temporary partial solution to an ever growing problem which our own govt has helped cause by their inability to catch and stop traffickers and their virtual destruction of legal routes for refugees to enter our country and apply for asylum.

Haven’t read the whole thread but must endorse the o.p.

Well said Puddycat. ( nice name )

If all these single young men who congregate and make themselves a nuisance to women and others were in work (and that’s a big ‘if’ for those who don’t speak English and have no useful skills), that would only occupy them for part of the 24-hour day and seven-day week. In their free time they would continue as before. And what of the future? They will want to find a partner - but how likely is that? To put it bluntly, they will want sex - where are they going to find consensual sex? And what when they don’t?

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Puddycat

“Is it beyond your ability to recognise and understand that not everyone has had the pleasure of enjoying your experiences with them? You appear to reside in a multicultural utopia of peace and mutual acceptance by all. Regrettably, this is not the experience of many. You should recognise that.”

Is it beyond your ability to express your opinions and views without being patronising and rudely telling other posters what they should and shouldn’t recognise??

Since when has speaking a foreign language in the UK been a crime?

I don't believe I've seen one poster saying any such thing but, if you have, please do point it out. One thing that I have spotted though is that many of your posts are disingenuous and deliberately designed to make anyone who voices their lived experiences and concerns about young, single, male asylum seekers, is made to look like frothing rabid racists. Is it beyond your ability to recognise and understand that not everyone has had the pleasure of enjoying your experiences with them? You appear to reside in a multicultural utopia of peace and mutual acceptance by all. Regrettably, this is not the experience of many. You should recognise that.

growstuff of course speaking in a foreign language is not a crime in the U.K.

Groups of young men, speaking, shouting in their own language along with gesticulating at females can be and are intimidating to some.

GrannyGravy13

Cossy DH and ventured into what I believe is your High St with one of our teenage GS’s whilst the other was at the local football ground for a home game.

I haven’t been there in over ten years, despite going to the beach at either end of the City. We were amazed at the amount of different languages we could hear along with the propensity of young men hanging around the majority of these groups were neither English speakers or polite.

Our GSs are not allowed to go to the High Street on their own nor the main Sea Front area due to the gangs of lads who arrive off of the trains from London as soon as the sun is out.
The local Police have now got portable knife arches which are in regular use.

Basically the main part of the town is only for the brave…

I agree with your last sentence, but I’ve not really noticed more non English than English. It’s sad and not a High Street any “City” should have, coupled with a lack of shops and the fact it’s so unkept and dirty. Our local council should be ashamed frankly.

No we don't

The UK (England especially) has always been a nation of immigrants. Why on earth anybody should think that time should stand still now is beyond me.

utterbliss

No we do not have to accepted them legally into our society.

That argument would mean the entire population of poor countries could come here.

We do not have the resources for the numbers that arrive everyday on our shores.

Yes, we do.

CarS

Yes, the people arriving on board are human. Yes, children are dying because of their parents decision to put them in dangerous situations. This has to stop somehow. They are illegal for a very very good reasons. This cannot be ignored. People have to be legally accepted into our society. I won't spell out why as I think we all know.

Please spell out!

GrannyGravy13

Cossy DH and ventured into what I believe is your High St with one of our teenage GS’s whilst the other was at the local football ground for a home game.

I haven’t been there in over ten years, despite going to the beach at either end of the City. We were amazed at the amount of different languages we could hear along with the propensity of young men hanging around the majority of these groups were neither English speakers or polite.

Our GSs are not allowed to go to the High Street on their own nor the main Sea Front area due to the gangs of lads who arrive off of the trains from London as soon as the sun is out.
The local Police have now got portable knife arches which are in regular use.

Basically the main part of the town is only for the brave…

Since when has speaking a foreign language in the UK been a crime?

No we do not have to accepted them legally into our society.

That argument would mean the entire population of poor countries could come here.

We do not have the resources for the numbers that arrive everyday on our shores.

Yes, the people arriving on board are human. Yes, children are dying because of their parents decision to put them in dangerous situations. This has to stop somehow. They are illegal for a very very good reasons. This cannot be ignored. People have to be legally accepted into our society. I won't spell out why as I think we all know.

Cossy DH and ventured into what I believe is your High St with one of our teenage GS’s whilst the other was at the local football ground for a home game.

I haven’t been there in over ten years, despite going to the beach at either end of the City. We were amazed at the amount of different languages we could hear along with the propensity of young men hanging around the majority of these groups were neither English speakers or polite.

Our GSs are not allowed to go to the High Street on their own nor the main Sea Front area due to the gangs of lads who arrive off of the trains from London as soon as the sun is out.
The local Police have now got portable knife arches which are in regular use.

Basically the main part of the town is only for the brave…

GSM
Puddycat

“They behave like this towards white women because of their culture - and that’s not going to change. It’s not acceptable here.”

I do agree GSM, it’s cultural and not acceptable here.

Puddycat unsurprisingly I disagree, it would help, it would keep them off the streets, keep the large groups down and if and when processed and deemed not meeting the criteria for leave to remain, they can be deported. Though where to is a bit hard as no doubt it will be hard to determine exactly where they came from.

I’ve stated so many times before I don’t support hoarded of people, irrespective of gender, religion, nationality, colour etc. just rocking up and expecting to be allowed to stay.

I am for treating all humans as humans, not labelling all asylum seekers as “undesirable”, I support legal routes for asylum seekers, I also support controlled immigration.

www.theguardian.com/film/2020/sep/11/limbo-review-ben-sharrock

I watched a film recently which threw light on the situation of Asylum seekers and that of their host communities.
It's set in the outer hebrides but doesn't show the island as tourists do.

It's called Limbo made in 2020.
I found it clarified for me why I have conflicting feelings.

They behave like this towards white women because of their culture - and that’s not going to change. It’s not acceptable here.

Well if that's the case, cossy's suggestion that occupying them with work and processing their claims for asylum quicker isn't going to make any difference is it?

PuddyCat

^Immigrant families are not the norm, which is single young men who hang around in groups and can be very intimidating. They are also responsible for a lot of shoplifting in our nearest city.^

I live in a very similar naice' leafy area of Cheshire as curlywirly and we too have a large number of single men who have nothing to do but sit in the outdoor smoking area of the town centre cafe. They're there every day, for most of the day. They spend their time calling, whistling and shouting at young women and girls passing by and, although I don't know what languages they're speaking, their raucous laughter and hand gestures makes it fairly clear what they're saying. Police have been called out to them several times but nothing is really done to stop their intimidating behaviour. This resulted in confrontation recently when some local youths decided to tackle the problem themselves. The police arrived and the local youths were taken away and detained whilst the group of immigrant men were left to carry on where they'd left off. Personally, I can understand why single young men are fleeing their home countries to find safety and peace elsewhere. What I can't understand is why, when they've reached their destination of choice, they treat their host country with ignorance and contempt of their customs, laws and people. And we seem to just roll over and accept it.

They behave like this towards white women because of their culture - and that’s not going to change. It’s not acceptable here.