Immigration and migrants

Which of my comments aren't factual, Allsorts?

I actually try to keep away from these threads because they utterly depress me and no-one ever takes any notice of the facts when they are posted.

Your comments are not factual Allsorts. Migrants arriving by boat are not responsible for the current housing shortage, they are not accommodated in private rental properties.

Maisie, I’m sorry but your comments are not factual. You fail to see the problem, no doubt because you don’t live with it. Wish they would wreck all the boats. Patience for most people has been exhausted especially those with hard working children who can't even find a place to rent and if they could, couldn't afford it. There’s a waiting list for homes impossible to fill as it is.
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Primrose53

Cossy

Oh dear GSM even when talking to my many Moslem ex-colleagues I’ve never once heard them express the desire to make the UK an Islam based country, in fact many of them have embraced our Christian values and respect them, as I respect theirs.

Your colleagues might not have said that but it is exactly what the hate preachers say and they have many followers.

Are you fluent in Arabic?

Cossy

MaizieD

It doesn't scare me, Aveline.

I find conflating praying, a peaceful action, with being 'scared' is a bit hysterical. Are you expecting them all to leap to their feet once the prayer is over and start a massacre of unbelievers?

Clearly she is!

I have a very close friend who has a property in Turkey. I’ve visited many times. I’m woken at 5:00am if I leave my window open as it’s near a beautiful mosque, listening to the gentle, rhythmic chanting. It’s rather wonderful, not at all scary. Last year the pair of us, in our 60’s, undertook a 6 day road trip around parts of Turkey, staying in very small B&Bs and very often way off the beaten track, eating lunch in tiny roadside cafes. No problems or issues or anything to be scared about.

That's Turkey, normal for them.

There are so many different ways of expressing a religion or an opinion and whipping up "Tarring all with the same brush"
I am ashamed to read it on GN.

Cossy

Oh dear GSM even when talking to my many Moslem ex-colleagues I’ve never once heard them express the desire to make the UK an Islam based country, in fact many of them have embraced our Christian values and respect them, as I respect theirs.

Your colleagues might not have said that but it is exactly what the hate preachers say and they have many followers.

Oh dear GSM even when talking to my many Moslem ex-colleagues I’ve never once heard them express the desire to make the UK an Islam based country, in fact many of them have embraced our Christian values and respect them, as I respect theirs.

Cossy

MaizieD

It doesn't scare me, Aveline.

I find conflating praying, a peaceful action, with being 'scared' is a bit hysterical. Are you expecting them all to leap to their feet once the prayer is over and start a massacre of unbelievers?

Clearly she is!

I have a very close friend who has a property in Turkey. I’ve visited many times. I’m woken at 5:00am if I leave my window open as it’s near a beautiful mosque, listening to the gentle, rhythmic chanting. It’s rather wonderful, not at all scary. Last year the pair of us, in our 60’s, undertook a 6 day road trip around parts of Turkey, staying in very small B&Bs and very often way off the beaten track, eating lunch in tiny roadside cafes. No problems or issues or anything to be scared about.

The religion of this country is not, as yet Islam. I hope it never will be, but many immigrants would wish it to be. That is totally unacceptable.

Nannashirlz

Our country has doubled since the 70s we can’t house these young fighting age men. My step grandson had 5 new classmates in one week with very badly spoken English. Why should my neighbor go through all the paperwork and pay to live here when she could have just jumped in a dinghy for free. Call me right wing far right or whatever I don’t care but look how these ppl are shouting all the rubbish teachers in hiding. For all you do goodies with your arms open wide how many of these fighting age men are you housing. No i didn’t think so.

Don't play with the facts. UK population in 1974 was 56.3 million. It's now 67.8 million. Hardly doubled, has it?

Aveline

Clue in the name - walks!

"Taking over a whole road"

Clue in the name, hence road closure for Whit Walks and the Italian Procession ( off the top of my head) Probably a lot more.
N Ireland?

“Frightening. We only have figures for those whose arrival is detected. So many arrive undetected and disappear. Like you, Primrose, I live in an area where this happens. Such people arrive and live under the radar. Officially then don’t exist so they disappear into the black economy. Is this acceptable to anyone here?”

GSM

Absolutely not acceptable at all. I’m not sure anyone thinks it is, it’s wrong in so many ways, not the least knowing some these trafficked “disappearing” people will end up in awful situations with no rights or protection. Obviously they are not contributing to our economy either.

MaizieD

It doesn't scare me, Aveline.

I find conflating praying, a peaceful action, with being 'scared' is a bit hysterical. Are you expecting them all to leap to their feet once the prayer is over and start a massacre of unbelievers?

Clearly she is!

I have a very close friend who has a property in Turkey. I’ve visited many times. I’m woken at 5:00am if I leave my window open as it’s near a beautiful mosque, listening to the gentle, rhythmic chanting. It’s rather wonderful, not at all scary. Last year the pair of us, in our 60’s, undertook a 6 day road trip around parts of Turkey, staying in very small B&Bs and very often way off the beaten track, eating lunch in tiny roadside cafes. No problems or issues or anything to be scared about.

This thread is about Immigration and migrants, Rwanda. Thank you Cossie for having the patience to repeat a moderate approach of trying to tackle problems at source - ie faster processing/deportation, putting the resources into tackling the gangs, balancing compassion with firmness.

(Trouble is, in a long thread, we get a lot of repetition of points)

I'm concerned that we are conflating the topic with race, they are not the same thing.

It doesn't scare me, Aveline.

I find conflating praying, a peaceful action, with being 'scared' is a bit hysterical. Are you expecting them all to leap to their feet once the prayer is over and start a massacre of unbelievers?

Clue in the name - walks!

The Whit Walks?

It's nice that you are comfortable with these people taking over a whole road for prayers. No other religious group does that or feels that it is acceptable to others in our cities.

It's much more complex than just blaming everything on politicians. Also a lot depends on where you live. I suspect that it's pretty scary living in some areas. Did you see the photos last weekend if a whole London street blocked by Muslims men praying?

I'm afraid I completely fail to see what is so scary about a street full of men praying, Aveline. Inconsiderate, annoying, yes. But 'scary'?

Primrose53

Now we’ve had a few days of really good weather we can expect more boats to arrive loaded with people.

The total number for this year has soared to 8,278 which is a jump of 34% from last year! That was last week’s figure so probably add another 1,000 to that.

The Home Office (as of last week) are only aware of where 38% of these people are.

Source: Migration Watch UK

Frightening. We only have figures for those whose arrival is detected. So many arrive undetected and disappear. Like you, Primrose, I live in an area where this happens. Such people arrive and live under the radar. Officially then don’t exist so they disappear into the black economy. Is this acceptable to anyone here?

I wonder if there are any GN people here of the Muslim faith and how on earth they must be feeling?

Intrigued to get some links ( other than Michaela) about Muslims demanding prayer rooms.

I’ve only just joined Gransnet and this is the first thing I have read and my first post. I am thrilled to find there are people on this forum who think as I do wrt immigrants and the appalling propaganda against them spewed out by some newspapers and our government who mainly try to make them responsible for their ineptitude in keeping basic services in this country running.

Now we’ve had a few days of really good weather we can expect more boats to arrive loaded with people.

The total number for this year has soared to 8,278 which is a jump of 34% from last year! That was last week’s figure so probably add another 1,000 to that.

The Home Office (as of last week) are only aware of where 38% of these people are.

Source: Migration Watch UK

Couldn't agree more, Cossy. The Media and the government talk about illegal entry. For many years there has been no legal entry means for asylum seekers and as far as I'm aware there still isn't. (Apart from extenuating circumstances such as the war in Ukraine.) There is no such thing as an 'asylum visa' the only way to claim asylum in the UK is to actually be in the UK.

Cossy

Curtaintwitcher

[Message deleted by GNHQ].

To single out a specific cohort as you have, is both racist and untrue.

There are many Muslims throughout England, I have worked with many countrywide, some are even married to British people.

Be concerned about mass immigration by all means, but don’t blame specific races/religions for our own politicians failings.

It’s neither racist nor untrue.
Labour has lost a lot of the votes in heavily Muslim areas due to Gaza and groups have lobbied MP’s about it, putting pressure on and trying to influence Labour’s stance.