Immigration and migrants

Of the largest groups arriving in the UK:

Eritrea 50/50 Christian and Muslim
Vietnam largely Buddhist
Albania Islam/Christian/no religion

Oreo

“growstuff
PS. The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.
Think you are being way oversensitive as you mention you have Muslim family, a SIL I think.”

I don’t think she, or anyone else who agrees with her, is being way oversensitive or woke or not allowing anyone else to have an opinion.

We all are able to freely express our opinions, views, beliefs. However, sometimes, it appears, some on here demonise certain groups and refuse to accept they themselves just might come across as a tad bigoted.

We are primarily a Christian Country, as I keep hearing, sometimes the strong views here about certain cohorts doesn’t come across as very Christian.

Primrose53

I didn’t say otherwise Cossy.

Methinks it was your inference though

Casdon. Do you have any statistics regarding the religions of ‘boat migrants’ and the number of Muslim women in other countries who work and have the freedoms and respect we have in the West? We can’t compare how Muslim men brought up here behave towards women with how those in other countries, where subjugation (and worse - FGM for instance) is the norm, behave.

I don’t understand why some people on here cannot admit that Muslims are from many different countries with different cultures, that not all boat migrants are Muslims, that most Muslim women work in normal jobs just like we did in the UK - and most of all I don’t understand why some people on here don’t see people who arrive by boat as individuals with a multitude of different reasons for arriving here.

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The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.

Totally agree Growstuff. To even consider that all Muslims are ‘the same’ is just nonsense. Are all Christians ‘the same’; no, of course they’re not!

growstuff

PS. The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.

Think you are being way oversensitive as you mention you have Muslim family, a SIL I think.

LizzieDrip

GSM actually I agree that in some countries the subjugation of women is abhorrent. Has it not occurred to you that, perhaps, the young men who seek refuge here don’t want to be part of that. They want to grow up in an open, free, tolerant society, but are unable to go against their strict, repressive governments.

Very doubtful where young women/ girls are concerned.

PS. The point I was really making is that stereotypes seem to be everywhere on GN, especially of Muslims and young people. There are nearly two billion Muslims in the world. "They" (and it's not uncommon not to even give them a name - they're just "they") live in dozens of different countries, speak different languages and have different cultures. However, according to some posters on GN, Muslims are all lumped together and are stereotyped.

Just what I was going to write LizzieDrip. It's not "woke" to accept that not everybody thinks the same.

Determinedly Woke Granny Who Won't Accept That Not Everyone Thinks Like Them Day"

Yes, in favour of that - with one amendment. Remove the ‘woke’!

Ooh! I think we should have a National Stereotype Day! At least it would be better than having one every day.

We can, but only if we can also have a "Determinedly Woke Granny Who Won't Accept That Not Everyone Thinks Like Them Day" as well.

I didn’t say otherwise Cossy.

Primrose53

“that made me laugh! I have literally just read a text from a friend who is from the traveller community. She is on hols in Spain without her husband as usual. She goes with a friend. She has 4 adult children, all married with kids and the women rule the roost! They are all very much their own women and are very successful.”

I’m very glad your friend, her friends and their relatives are all free to live their lives as they choose, but I can assure you in different traveller communities it’s not the case.

Just as in many parts of society, different groups of people if similar communities have different values and ethos.

Because your friend has never experienced this doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist in different traveller communities, I can assure you it does happen.

Cossy

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes Katie, and a few years ago a young woman was gang raped in India and died as a consequence.

wyllow, of course I am aware of domestic violence in this country. It has happened since time immemorial. You cannot, however, compare it with the subjugation of women in many other countries, where men use women but expect to marry a virgin who is not allowed an education or to leave the home unaccompanied.

Our very own “travellers”, white and from all four parts of the UK still behave in that way in this very country.

I worked for a while with many of them, some living on the large, somewhat notorious site near Basildon, Essex.

It’s shocking how some women still appear to be considered the property of men in this day and age and in the Western world.

Many are also expected to remain virgins and be married off quite young and domestic violence incidents are very high.

Women still have battles to fight for equality across the world.

that made me laugh! I have literally just read a text from a friend who is from the traveller community. She is on hols in Spain without her husband as usual. She goes with a friend. She has 4 adult children, all married with kids and the women rule the roost! They are all very much their own women and are very successful.

Germanshepherdsmum

That’s true - but some of the countries from which asylum seekers emanate are infinitely worse.

That’s also true, sad isn’t it!

GrannyGravy13

Cossy I have known my Turkish friend for 30 years, have visited her mothers home frequently (Asian side of Istanbul)

I agree that some Turkish people are what could be said as westernised however, Turkey is a large country and many particularly the religious are not.

That’s fair enough and I completely accept that, but it’s simply not the case with many Muslims now, especially the younger generation. I worked with many British Muslims of both genders, many are very progressive.

In America, particularly in the Deep South, many women’s rights are still being eroded, particularly in deeply religious Christian communities. You’ve only got to look at their abortion law to see that.

It’s the “demonisation” of particular cohorts, especially those without white skin, which I object to.

Sadly it’s MEN, some men, who don’t consider women to be their equals and treat them as “possessions”. Men of all faiths, colours, creed and nationality across the world.

Germanshepherdsmum

That’s true - but some of the countries from which asylum seekers emanate are infinitely worse.

So who can blame them for wanting to escape if they are liberals themselves? People are thankfully not all defined by the culture from which they come, they are people, like us, who make up their own minds.

That’s true - but some of the countries from which asylum seekers emanate are infinitely worse.

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes Katie, and a few years ago a young woman was gang raped in India and died as a consequence.

wyllow, of course I am aware of domestic violence in this country. It has happened since time immemorial. You cannot, however, compare it with the subjugation of women in many other countries, where men use women but expect to marry a virgin who is not allowed an education or to leave the home unaccompanied.

Our very own “travellers”, white and from all four parts of the UK still behave in that way in this very country.

I worked for a while with many of them, some living on the large, somewhat notorious site near Basildon, Essex.

It’s shocking how some women still appear to be considered the property of men in this day and age and in the Western world.

Many are also expected to remain virgins and be married off quite young and domestic violence incidents are very high.

Women still have battles to fight for equality across the world.

Cossy I have known my Turkish friend for 30 years, have visited her mothers home frequently (Asian side of Istanbul)

I agree that some Turkish people are what could be said as westernised however, Turkey is a large country and many particularly the religious are not.

GrannyGravy13

Cossy it really depends on whereabouts in Turkey you go/are.

We have a very close family member who has to spend one week in two/three just outside Istanbul for work. The attitudes of men towards women are mixed, but they are not appreciative of having a female boss

The tourist areas are different, but when the young men and women return to their homes (most of which are in the north) they revert to what their parents expect. I know this as our Turkish friend of 30 years married an American to escape Turkey, it took many many years for her family to accept.

I can absolutely see that some men, of any faith, wouldn’t appreciate a female, sadly that still happens here. Does your close female family member speak Turkish?

Many many years ago I had a very good Turkish female friend who came over from Istanbul to improve her English. She stayed and married an English man, who sadly treated her very badly in the end, they had two beautiful children and her nieces and female cousins all came to visit.

Perhaps things change very gradually and the more “traditional” families are gradually being phased out and replaced with more progressive families with different attitudes and aspirations.

In all countries middle and upper class women are respected and do have status, lower class/caste women, single women in particular get no respect and are treated equal to the feral dogs that roam the streets.

I very much doubt that Lizzie.