Immigration and migrants

asyl.drc.ngo/en/for-asylum-seekers/the-danish-asylum-system/the-danish-asylum-procedure/

If you actually read the Danish system in careful detail it isn't very different than ours in many aspects. (ie interview, appeals)

The main difference seems to be that they are actually far more efficient.

(And Even if a person is totally rejected, they cannot be sent back if the country is dangerous, until it changes.)

I guess they want the same opt out deal negotiated between EU and Denmark.

The Dutch are going to upset the EU with this request.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13425425/Netherlands-EU-rules-strictest-asylum-policy.html

Yes, indeed.

"Eurodac holds a range of information on asylum applicants and irregular immigrants. This includes their gender, fingerprints as well as date and place of apprehension or asylum application. It is anonymous in the sense that the names are left unregistered" Names can change. Fingerprints can't.

Eurodac processes, stores and/or compares the
fingerprints of third country nationals or stateless persons
who are at least 14 years old and who:
• have applied for asylum in one of the Eurodac
participating countries (data is stored for 10 years); or
• have been apprehended in connection with an
irregular crossing of a concerned external border (data is stored for 18 months); or
• have been found to be illegally present within a
Eurodac country.

I would say that it is a very useful tool for finding out whether someone is applying wholesale to other countries for asylum.

Thanks casdon. I'd heard about Eurodac but that's a very straightforward leaflet, thank you. I was talking around the asylum issue last week with my grandson. I shell forward that to him.

Can you stop them from charging what the market will support? How? Nationalise all universities and have them all run the same courses from the same textbooks, at the same price?

They have to get funds from somewhere to keep their courses viable. I don't think the government gives them much (if anything)

I do wonder if we need to keep some third-rate universities 'afloat' by letting them charge overseas students vast sums. Of course it's export income to the UK.

growstuff

Freya5

Of course it is, otherwise why not keep your papers.

There are reports that they are forced to hand over their papers to the smugglers and traffickers.

Anyway, it's good news that one of the ring-leaders has now been arrested in Iraqi Kurdistan.

The public doesn't know what's going on behind the headlines.

Yes I saw that had happened. Excellent news. I have said previously just because we don't hear all, doesn't mean it is not happening behind the scenes.

Papers/documents can be hidden from smugglers in clothing.
I think the only reason immigrants get rid of them is on advice from smugglers and other immigrants, as it’s so hard for the UK or any authorities to find out where they originate, who they really are and so on.

Freya5

Of course it is, otherwise why not keep your papers.

There are reports that they are forced to hand over their papers to the smugglers and traffickers.

Anyway, it's good news that one of the ring-leaders has now been arrested in Iraqi Kurdistan.

The public doesn't know what's going on behind the headlines.

Clicked too soon.

Most of the overseas students return to their home countries, although a few of the very best are snapped up by biotech companies in the UK and go on to contribute to the British economy.

Germanshepherdsmum

If there is a problem I think it’s more likely to be with undergraduate students.

Agreed! However, courses offering "bogus" courses with a very high drop out rate have mainly been dealt with. My partner runs a masters course at a RG university. Over half his students are from overseas and pay a fortune for their courses. Multiply that by the number of postgrad students in the country and it's easy to see they're keeping most universities (apart from Oxford and Cambridge, which have enough money of their own) afloat.

Germanshepherdsmum

Casdon

growstuff

Callistemon21

Yes, I wondered about using DNA but that again throws up questions about individuals' rights, whether or not the DNA would be kept on a database etc.
Can it prove exact country of origin too?

No, it can't.

I believe the theory is that the more DNA samples there are, the closer it’s possible to link individuals to families. It can prove exact country of origin if there are very close matches already on the system, ie family members, but only then. However, as part of the information gathering process when people first enter Europe they are more likely to have documentation, and to volunteer personal information, so it’s all recorded,

If close family members were born in country A, it’s entirely possible that the person being tested was born and lived elsewhere. So DNA cannot conclusively prove an individual’s country of origin.

Exactly! What Home Office officials do when they conduct face-to-face interviews is test whether people know about the place they claim to have been living. They also have people who recognise different dialects. They ask them, for example, where they went to school or where they did their shopping.

DNA can never give an accurate place of birth. Isotope testing could, but I don't suppose many immigrants would consent to having one of their teeth or a bit of bone removed for isotope testing, which in any case would give an indication where a person spent their formative years, but wouldn't take into account moves after that.

If there is a problem I think it’s more likely to be with undergraduate students.

Despite claims to the contrary the official Migration Advisory Committee has found little evidence of overseas graduate students misusing the rules to stay on in the UK and has written to Cleverly along that line. Indeed, they think some students are being exploited by education providers and agents.

Of course it is, otherwise why not keep your papers.

Thank you for answering Wyllow but I don’t think you’re right. My suspicion is that it’s so asylum seekers cannot be returned to their country of origin if refused asylum.

maddyone

^they are advised by the people smugglers to get rid of all forms of personal they have when they leave their home countries ^

But why?

I think its to protect the smugglers actually or at least partly so.
If you have a boat landing with lots of ID's you could trace smugglers back more easily? Likely people not given a choice.

We did have some success with the Albanian Government. I wondered about doing the same with young Vietnamese who are often the ones paying £££££ saved up by families lured by social media promises.

Government has started a social Media campaign
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68653368#:~:text=Overall%2C%20the%20number%20of%20people,among%20those%20crossing%20the%20Channel.

Dont now if any approach made to government.

The stats show more young women coming in than men which is most unusual. God knows what has been promised to them by smugglers or the reality.

'An increasing number are arriving in the UK in small boats, with a total of 3,356 arriving since 2018.
The majority of Vietnamese immigrants arriving illegally in the UK are now women.
This contrasts to the trend of all other nationalities, more than three quarters of whom are male.19 Apr 2024"

they are advised by the people smugglers to get rid of all forms of personal they have when they leave their home countries

But why?

I think we know Primrose well enough to be sure she wouldn’t do that.

Germanshepherdsmum

Feel free to say what you want Primrose. Information from the horse’s mouth is useful.

I agree, so long as you’re not breaking a person’s confidence.

Feel free to say what you want Primrose. Information from the horse’s mouth is useful.