By-election and local authority results.

I assume the Tory candidate in your area must have had party sponsorship to send leaflets out in that case

Thanks Casdon. Yes I think he probably did - all the more reason not to vote for him! TBH I find it a bit weird that the PCC should be affiliated to any party - surely they should be independent of party politics

Whitewavemark2

urms live dangerously and give Labour a go😄😄

It can’t get a lot worse!

Agree

vegansrock

When over 700 people arrived on boats one day this week, I doubt Rwanda will make a dent in the numbers.
BTW OP, the by election was Blackpool, not Liverpool.

It’s old age I think😄😄😄

LizzieDrip

^PCC candidates aren’t allowed to put out promotional literature encouraging people to vote for them Pittcity^

Mm, that’s interesting Casdon because I received a promotional leaflet from the Conservative PCC candidate in my area, but not from any others. In fact, in his case, it backfired because it made me look online for the other candidates’ statements … and I voted for one of them.

I saw the information on my local Facebook page, I’ve just checked, and actually it’s not strictly true that candidates can’t send out leaflets etc. but the only official place to see the information about all candidates is on the Council’s websites as I understand it, there is no government funding for them to send out information. I assume the Tory candidate in your area must have had party sponsorship to send leaflets out in that case.
www.apccs.police.uk/media/5936/apcc_pcc_candidate_briefing_december_2020-002.pdf

When over 700 people arrived on boats one day this week, I doubt Rwanda will make a dent in the numbers.
BTW OP, the by election was Blackpool, not Liverpool.

I love the old joke “an elderly couple …. Husband who voted Conservative and his wife Labour. They decided they wouldn’t bother voting this time round as their votes only cancelled each other’s out anyway. At 10pm on polling day the wife looked across at her husband and said “I voted … “

But not from those who support it MaizieD. I think Sunak’s pinning his hopes on ‘action’.

Urmstongran

MaizieD

The question in my mind is, will these results make it so clear to Sunak that the electorate just doesn't want the tories that he will call a GE for the summer, or will he just keep the government limping on until the very last minute to cause maximum devastation for the next government to clear up?

I think Sunak want the flights to Rwanda to be up and running before he calls a GE.

Rwanda flights up and running will make absolutely no difference at all to the ultimate result of the GE.

Just more money wasted and more deeply ingrained disgust for the tories from those who oppose the Rwanda scheme.

Pittcity

The low turnout always angers me. 30% here and no change because the same people voted the same as last time.
The excuses for not voting included, "nothing ever changes" and "they're all as bad as each other"!!!

Yes I had the same conversation with my lovely dinosaur relatives, nothing ever changes they said. Well it won't if you don't vote says I. The wife wears the trousers, and said we're not going to bother. I wasn't going to, to be fair. Then my head got the better of me.

PCC candidates aren’t allowed to put out promotional literature encouraging people to vote for them Pittcity

Mm, that’s interesting Casdon because I received a promotional leaflet from the Conservative PCC candidate in my area, but not from any others. In fact, in his case, it backfired because it made me look online for the other candidates’ statements … and I voted for one of them.

Pittcity

MaizieD

We had a Mayor and a PCC to vote for, no councillors, Casdon. When Mr M and I went to vote at about 9 am the polling clerk said that they'd been quite busy.

I do agree with you, though. I don't think the PCC role has really grabbed anyone's interest so running it as a sole election seems a bit wasteful.

We had zero communication from PCC candidates and only knew there was a vote when our cards arrived. No wonder there was apathy.

PCC candidates aren’t allowed to put out promotional literature encouraging people to vote for them Pittcity, you had to go onto the council website to read statements their agents had written on their behalf. It makes little sense to me, because that makes it even less likely that people will turn out to vote at all.

No by- election in Livetpool. Elections for Mayor of Livetpool City Region & PCC for Merseyside only. No Livetpool councillors up for election this time.

I looked back, the turnout in local elections has been between 30-40% for a number of years now, it’s disappointing but this election looks little different so far. If you don’t vote you aren’t entitled to moan if you’re not happy.

Would a higher turnout have altered the swing?

We will never know Whitewave. Voter apathy analysis throws up all sorts of reasons. Quite probably not, but 🤷‍♀️

MaizieD

We had a Mayor and a PCC to vote for, no councillors, Casdon. When Mr M and I went to vote at about 9 am the polling clerk said that they'd been quite busy.

I do agree with you, though. I don't think the PCC role has really grabbed anyone's interest so running it as a sole election seems a bit wasteful.

We had zero communication from PCC candidates and only knew there was a vote when our cards arrived. No wonder there was apathy.

MaizieD

The question in my mind is, will these results make it so clear to Sunak that the electorate just doesn't want the tories that he will call a GE for the summer, or will he just keep the government limping on until the very last minute to cause maximum devastation for the next government to clear up?

I think Sunak want the flights to Rwanda to be up and running before he calls a GE.

Would a higher turnout have altered the swing?

Whitewavemark2

Labour won Liverpool by a massive 26% swing.

Low turnout though c.30%

We had a Mayor and a PCC to vote for, no councillors, Casdon. When Mr M and I went to vote at about 9 am the polling clerk said that they'd been quite busy.

I do agree with you, though. I don't think the PCC role has really grabbed anyone's interest so running it as a sole election seems a bit wasteful.

The low turnout always angers me. 30% here and no change because the same people voted the same as last time.
The excuses for not voting included, "nothing ever changes" and "they're all as bad as each other"!!!

Whitewavemark2

rosie1959

Urmstongran

By elections and or local council elections used to be considered as an opportunity for a protest vote. I don’t think this is the case with yesterday’s polling. I think the Tories will get annihilated at the GE - whenever it is held. I’m in two minds though about this. I want the Tories out they’ve made such a mess of pretty much everything but I’m wary of Labour, who will romp it. Eek!

I agree with you the Tories will get annihilated at the election but not because the Labour Party show amazing leadership but just because the Conservatives have been so bad

That is the usual reason for a change in government.

Governments rarely get booted out because they are doing so well.

That is true but looking back I felt much less let’s say wary of Blair than I do about Starmer but that was a while ago and at that time I had much less interest in Politics

MaizieD I guess election will be held at the very last minute. Not sure how much more devastation is in the pipeline however. Whatever it won’t bring in more votes!

rosie1959

Urmstongran

By elections and or local council elections used to be considered as an opportunity for a protest vote. I don’t think this is the case with yesterday’s polling. I think the Tories will get annihilated at the GE - whenever it is held. I’m in two minds though about this. I want the Tories out they’ve made such a mess of pretty much everything but I’m wary of Labour, who will romp it. Eek!

I agree with you the Tories will get annihilated at the election but not because the Labour Party show amazing leadership but just because the Conservatives have been so bad

That is the usual reason for a change in government.

Governments rarely get booted out because they are doing so well.

I found it amusing that Boris was sent back home for his photo ID.

It’s going very well for Labour so far, and for the Lib Dem’s in their strongholds, it’s going to be an interesting day.

I want to have a little whinge though, about the Police Commissioner elections where that is the only election you are voting for. I don’t know if it was the case anywhere else, but because the PCCs are elected nationally on the same cycle, a huge amount of money was spent sending out polling cards, running polling stations and for the counts just for them - I’d be very surprised if the turnout was above about 15% - I voted at 8.30am, and I was only the third person at my station. Surely it would make more sense if they were elected on the same cycle as local councils for each area?