Labour. Our next Government.

I think our Local Health Board is making an effort to reduce waiting times - but at a cost. Outpatient appointments, scans etc are at weekends, evenings, in order to catch up. Of course, the staff are happy with the overtime they are being paid, as one told me.

So you’re happy with that Casdon? The fact that 4 out of seven boards in Wales are not delivering on quality and performance after 25 years of Labour?

And the fact that the other three are under scrutiny because of financial problems when Labour in Wales made prescriptions free for all and gave free hospital parking? Virtue signalling at its best!

A fish rots from the head.

I voted for Blair - then returned to the Conservatives.

Louella12

Does anyone remember the excellent series/book, This Is Going to Hurt? I think that's the title.

Junior doctors. The guy who wrote it gave up due to pressures. Very sad case of a young doctor killing herself.

That was under a Labour government

Also in my area our local maternity hospital was closed. Babies born to residents here have to go to a different county. My daughter went into premature labour and faced a 40 minute journey.

All done whilst Tony was at the helm
Got rid of waiting more than 4 hours in A&E? Sure he did. Didn't mention you just got shipped to another waiting area

I'm no fan of this government but I do wish people would stop saying how wonderful things were under Labour .

They really weren't.

No they really weren't. I remember having to move patients in the middle of the night,disorientating, confusing, to many of them. To make way for the four hour waiting. Otherwise huge fine for hospital, that really helped. They closed beds too. Not enough staff, what under Blair,really. Yes.

There are 24 healthcare organisations in special measures in England, this is the Recovery Support Programme detailing them. I can’t see a date on it, but assume it’s kept up to date.

www.england.nhs.uk/system-and-organisational-oversight/national-recovery-support-programme/

The whole of the Welsh NHS is roughly equivalent to the NHS of Greater Manchester in size, although obviously more geographically spread.
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/health/greater-manchesters-nhs-being-plunged-29057523

All of Wales' health boards are currently under enhanced monitoring for planning and finance after failing to balance their books. Aneurin Bevan, Hywel Dda, and Swansea Bay University Health Boards (UHBs) are also under increased scrutiny because of concerns about emergency care.

Not really cossy I wouldn't have Kwarteng either.

Pantglas2

I certainly don’t measure the Welsh NHS purely on the basis of my husband’s lengthy wait Casdon, but my second paragraph still applies.

When ALL of English health boards are “under scrutiny” or in Special Measures, as is the case under Labour in Wales, then the English will have something to moan about.

You’ve misrepresented the position Pantglas. Enhanced monitoring for planning and finance is due to the financial position of Health Boards, as a result of years of austerity, like all public bodies they are struggling to stay in budget. The same applies across the whole of England.

This is the actual status,

Hywel Dda University Health Board to remain at its current escalation status of targeted intervention for planning and finance and enhanced monitoring for performance and quality.

Swansea Bay University Health Board to be escalated to enhanced monitoring for planning and finance and to remain in enhanced monitoring for quality and performance.

Cardiff and Vale University Health Board to remain in enhanced monitoring for planning and finance.

Aneurin Bevan University Health Board to be escalated to enhanced monitoring for planning and finance.

Powys Teaching Health Board to be escalated to enhanced monitoring for planning and finance.

Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board to remain in special measures.

Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board to remain in targeted intervention for quality concerns related to performance and long waiting times and planning and finance to remain in enhanced monitoring. Maternity and neonatal services will be de-escalated from targeted intervention to enhanced monitoring. Quality and governance, leadership and culture, trust and confidence will be de-escalated from targeted intervention to enhanced monitoring.

I'd like to opt for Oswestry, Pantglas but was told it was not possible.

People I know have had great difficulties with cross-border referrals. It is really quite ridiculously bureaucratic and a downside of devolution.

That’s interesting Callistemon - my husband was asked if he would have his hip surgery over the border in Oswestry as the wait would have been another nine months at our local hospital. We agreed and he was seen the following week with pre-op tests the same day and the operation was done 9 weeks later.

The consultant at RJAH told us that they were contracted to help out our health board and generally their waiting times were three months!

VioletSky

Politics isn't football

You aren't supposed to pick a team and cheer them on no matter how badly they play

Which is why I'm a floating voter and for which I got roundly told off a few years ago on GN, probably around the time of the last GE.

If we all voted for "our team" every time no matter what, they'd rarely be any change except for the new voters (and those who can no longer vote).

Cossy

Pittcity

I'm thinking of voting for Count Binface!

He’d be great!! 😂😂😂😂

That's three of us 😁

MaizieD

I'm curious to know how Labour has ruined the NHS in Wales.

Is it worse than the NHS in England?

How would we know? I do know from friends and relatives that waiting lists in many areas of England are much shorter than they are here but I can't speak for all of Wales.

Both are like the curate's egg.

At one time patients were allowed to cross the border from Wales to access treatment, surgery at hospitals and facilities in
England but that seems to no longer be the case unless there is an almighty wrangle about it, as my friend found out recently.

nanna8

Interesting how any posts that don’t support Sir Starmer ‘disappear’ Curious.

Seriously?

So, either Sir Starmer's fans are complaining to GNHQ and they are then removing those that oppose him - or GNHQ are all Sir Starmer fans, avidly watching this thread, and removing the offending posts themselves?

... both scenarios are highly unlikely.

Are you into conspiracy theories? Because what you're suggesting is one.

Does anyone remember the excellent series/book, This Is Going to Hurt? I think that's the title.

Junior doctors. The guy who wrote it gave up due to pressures. Very sad case of a young doctor killing herself.

That was under a Labour government

Also in my area our local maternity hospital was closed. Babies born to residents here have to go to a different county. My daughter went into premature labour and faced a 40 minute journey.

All done whilst Tony was at the helm
Got rid of waiting more than 4 hours in A&E? Sure he did. Didn't mention you just got shipped to another waiting area

I'm no fan of this government but I do wish people would stop saying how wonderful things were under Labour .

They really weren't.

Casdon

Germanshepherdsmum

People have very short and selective memories don’t they?

They really do, don’t they? if they didn’t they would never vote Tory again and would instruct their children not to either.this has been the worst 10+ years in living memory politically and nobody should ever underestimate the damage that’s been done to the UK domestically and reputationally.

if they didn’t they would never vote Tory again and would instruct their children not to either.this has been the worst 10+ years in living memory politically

Instruct their children? Surely not!
I brought mine up to think for themselves. In fact none of them vote the same each other.

I certainly don’t measure the Welsh NHS purely on the basis of my husband’s lengthy wait Casdon, but my second paragraph still applies.

When ALL of English health boards are “under scrutiny” or in Special Measures, as is the case under Labour in Wales, then the English will have something to moan about.

Pantglas2

All Welsh health boards have a level of scrutiny applied since last year and my own, Betsi Cadwaladr, which covers all six counties of north Wales, has been in and out of Special Measures over the last decade.

Whatever mess you think the Tories have made of NHS England is trumped by Labour’s incompetence here in Wales.

My husband waited a year for his first hip operation in 2012 and 3 years for the second in February 2020.

Things are a whole lot worse now and they try to blame Covid!

You can’t measure the performance of the NHS on individual measures. My friend only waited 14 weeks to have her cataract done, in Wales - true, but not an indication of how good a service is as a whole, there are always going to be good and bad areas, services and experiences. The bottom line is that UK wide services are less accessible, more short staffed, less varied in type, and have longer waits than they did in 2010. That’s not even to mention mental health services, which are at dangerous staffing levels UK wide.

Yes, Sunak became richer last year but not courtesy of his salary. Government ministers could earn far more outside Parliament. This link clarifies his income. Not a lot courtesy of the taxpayer.
www.politics.co.uk/reference/rishi-sunak-salary/

Meddijess: "the party is clinging on like grim death squeezing every last drop of the taxpayers' cash out to put in their off-shore accounts". What a ridiculous statement

Wyllow3

The picture is patchy - A and E is worst in England, for example

www.channel4.com/news/england-aes-worse-than-scotland-and-wales-on-key-4-hour-target-analysis-finds

Huge changes clearly needed across the board. And it will take a long time.

I agree. What’s more imo there’s many factors making our NHS performance unacceptable. It’s not just lack of medical staff, but too heavy management, terrible wastage, lack of communication and I’m afraid I feel that, imo, Trusts play a large role in the demise.

Quite agree. How on earth anybody can vote Conservative after the mess this unelected PM has made of our country - I note that Rishi has got much richer over the past year. Of course he has - that's why the party is clinging on like grim death, squeezing every last drop of the taxpayers' cash out to put in their off-shore accounts. Give us a General Election now, and let us get rid of these free-loaders. Starmer will inherit a wasteland, with nothing left in the coffers. Then the Tory media will be bleating 'Labour can't do anything right'!

All Welsh health boards have a level of scrutiny applied since last year and my own, Betsi Cadwaladr, which covers all six counties of north Wales, has been in and out of Special Measures over the last decade.

Whatever mess you think the Tories have made of NHS England is trumped by Labour’s incompetence here in Wales.

My husband waited a year for his first hip operation in 2012 and 3 years for the second in February 2020.

Things are a whole lot worse now and they try to blame Covid!

Casdon

I’ll swap you, my MP is as much use as a chocolate teapot. Labour will never get in where I am.

Nor where I live either! It’s a very blue area through and through and has been so decade after decade.