Labour. Our next Government.

Well it looks like we are one step nearer to another government.

Oreo

MayBee70

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

No, we don’t.
All this talk of ‘desperate folk fleeing’ blah blah is sentimental rubbish.There will be hardly any percentage of true asylum seekers coming here in small boats as they are almost all economic migrants.All of them could have applied for asylum in France or previous countries they travelled through.
They come here as we’re known to be a softer touch than the authorities in Germany or France or have already been turned down there. End of.

What about the people from Afghanistan: the ones who helped us but we left the country suddenly and left them to their fate with the Taliban? Do we not have a responsibility towards them. And, if we ignore them will any peoples in any future conflict ever trust us again?

zakouma66

Oreo

MayBee70

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

No, we don’t.
All this talk of ‘desperate folk fleeing’ blah blah is sentimental rubbish.There will be hardly any percentage of true asylum seekers coming here in small boats as they are almost all economic migrants.All of them could have applied for asylum in France or previous countries they travelled through.
They come here as we’re known to be a softer touch than the authorities in Germany or France or have already been turned down there. End of.

Can you enlighten us as to how you know who is on the boats please?

How do you know about everybody and their circumstances?

We all have eyes and can see hundreds of fit young men getting off the boats. hardly a woman or child amongst them. We know which countries they come from because the stats are out there (you could try looking yourself) and we know that they have all paid thousands to people smugglers.

I don’t blame them for trying mind you, I blame the government for being so pathetic and incompetent in not dealing with them as quickly as France and Germany.
It seems that the threat of Rwanda is having a small effect at last, in that many are departing to Ireland.

Oreo

MayBee70

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

No, we don’t.
All this talk of ‘desperate folk fleeing’ blah blah is sentimental rubbish.There will be hardly any percentage of true asylum seekers coming here in small boats as they are almost all economic migrants.All of them could have applied for asylum in France or previous countries they travelled through.
They come here as we’re known to be a softer touch than the authorities in Germany or France or have already been turned down there. End of.

Can you enlighten us as to how you know who is on the boats please?

How do you know about everybody and their circumstances?

MayBee70

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

No, we don’t.
All this talk of ‘desperate folk fleeing’ blah blah is sentimental rubbish.There will be hardly any percentage of true asylum seekers coming here in small boats as they are almost all economic migrants.All of them could have applied for asylum in France or previous countries they travelled through.
They come here as we’re known to be a softer touch than the authorities in Germany or France or have already been turned down there. End of.

MayBee70

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

People, humans. That seems to be largely forgotten.

MayBee70

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

Indeed we do, on many different levels.
‘Stopping the boats’ is another of those simplistic three word mantra’s. Like ‘Get Brexit done’, ‘oven ready deal’ its headline grabbing and meaningless.
Many are Ordinary people are trying to get away from wars, to safety. Why demonise them.
Our local asylum seekers are mainly from Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

Of course the debate is hypothetical because Labour is not in government.

We have tangible evidence of the Tory level of competence when it comes to dealing with immigration.

Indeed we have tangible evidence of all the failures since 2010.

The figures are all in the link I posted Germanshepherdsmum.

We do actually have a responsibility towards many of the people in those boats.

How large would the problem be if the boats were stopped?

Germanshepherdsmum

I haven’t claimed that the Conservatives have contained immigration, but the Rwanda plan is obviously beginning to take effect. I have said that a Border Force officer, who surely has more experience than any of us, has said that Labour’s plan will not stop the boats.

Isn’t that because the problem is far far bigger and more complicated than just ‘stopping the boats’?

Cossy

It’s so much more than just “asylum seekers”, legal migration has also increased. Why will this be any worse under Labour?

It’s question avoidance Cossy. Illegal migrants are a very small proportion of total migrants, but oh so much more headline grabbing.

It’s so much more than just “asylum seekers”, legal migration has also increased. Why will this be any worse under Labour?

I haven’t claimed that the Conservatives have contained immigration, but the Rwanda plan is obviously beginning to take effect. I have said that a Border Force officer, who surely has more experience than any of us, has said that Labour’s plan will not stop the boats.

Germanshepherdsmum

Of course not, but that was the issue which you raised. It is, however, a very important issue to many.

I didn’t raise illegal immigration, I responded to Urmstongran’s post, which was about immigration generally. My question still stands, posted above - tell us why exactly you think Labour will increase migration, and why the Tories have managed to contain it so well

Of course not, but that was the issue which you raised. It is, however, a very important issue to many.

Germanshepherdsmum

I haven’t said that the Conservatives have contained illegal immigration. They have however introduced a deterrent with the Rwanda scheme and that is beginning to bite. Labour’s policy is hopeless, as I heard a Border Force official saying in an interview. I think he has a better hang on the problem than we couch experts.

This isn’t just about illegal immigration, is it?

I haven’t said that the Conservatives have contained illegal immigration. They have however introduced a deterrent with the Rwanda scheme and that is beginning to bite. Labour’s policy is hopeless, as I heard a Border Force official saying in an interview. I think he has a better hang on the problem than we couch experts.

I don’t think the Tories have contained immigration at all. Never mind ‘so well’.

Germanshepherdsmum

Primrose53

Urmstongran

Labour will be in charge very soon. Do the people of this country want more new towns like Milton Keynes? Or do they want a huge reduction in immigration?

Huge reduction in immigration seems most important judging on what people I know say and what I read.

I agree. We won’t get that with Starmer the human rights lawyer and appeaser.

Take a look at the graph at figure 2 on the Migration Observatory attachment I posted above. Come back and tell us why exactly you think Labour will increase migration, and why the Tories have managed to contain it so well?

spabbygirl

the sooner the better! I am horrified by the actions of this gov't and whatever sort of gov't Labour do will be better than this lot. Labour started the NHS so I have every confidence they'll fix it and ditto for our other welfare services that I've had to use in my time and want to support for others.
I think Labour are deliberately vague or else the right wing press will trash all their ideas.

The NHS are now expected to do far, far more than when it was set up. Firstly our population has massively increased since then and, as we all know is increasing by thousands every day costing us billions as more and more arrive illegally.

I am sure most of us remember times when we were almost begging consultants to go home after having babies. We couldn’t wait to get home. Now we are begging to go IN to hospital for ops we badly need.

People are living longer, having operations that were unheard of years ago like Gender reassignment, IVF, breast implants and scores of other cosmetic type ops.

Well the Tories increased immigration. I can only hope Labour address the situation (rather than building extra towns).

Primrose53

Urmstongran

Labour will be in charge very soon. Do the people of this country want more new towns like Milton Keynes? Or do they want a huge reduction in immigration?

Huge reduction in immigration seems most important judging on what people I know say and what I read.

I agree. We won’t get that with Starmer the human rights lawyer and appeaser.