Families who lost relatives in the 07/10 attack by Hamas are being assaulted, tragedy doesn't always bring people together.

Allsorts

This whole thing is awful. Hamas is not Palestine, groups operate everywhere, just how can any government leave people so desperate. Is this what interpreting the word of God is? Not the way I see it. It’s about power and control.

I entirely agree. I don’t think Hamas properly represents the Palestinian people, nor do I believe Netunyahu represents many of the Israeli people. The whole thing is a complete disaster and humanitarian crisis.

If key members of the current coalition like Gantz are threatening to stand down on June 8th on the issue of "plans ahead" then opposition to Netanyahu has gone far beyond popularity, it's a crisis.

The demonstrations have coalesced around the hostages issue but its not just about it, overall its broad opposition to Netanyahu and disagreements about the way forward both internally and as regards "which way forward"

Benny Gantz is from a centre to centre right party, not a leftist, but it has social justice concerns as well as differing approaches for ending the war and the use of the military..

He isn’t popular there but as leader he and his government have to face a terrible situation.Israel was invaded and attacked as we all know last October, by hamas who live to destroy Israel and all Jews.They are now being wiped out by Israeli soldiers and no doubt wish they had never started it, but they did and they have to face the consequences.Terrorist groups like hamas can never be reasoned with properly regards hostages taken and don’t even care about their own people, the Palestinians.
There’s no easy answer either as to what should happen in Gaza for the future.
It’s not all about BN, and in future elections there he will be replaced.

Netanyahu is considering what is best for Netanyahu. Israel and the hostages come a poor second.

It was always going to be impossible to get lots of hostages back alive, hamas were always going to make impractical demands and make it a long drawn out process.Some they would have killed fairly soon after taking them, others would die from injuries received and rape, lack of their medications if old and being kept in dark unsanitary conditions and permanently in fear.
It’s understandable that the relatives of the hostages demonstrate against the government, its human nature to want those closest to us back again and damn anything else, but the government has to consider what’s best for the country as a whole.They do need a plan for what happens in Gaza after this is over but atm it’s not over and still much to do.
Feelings run high there after what happened in October.

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

Stealing land with violence is never a good look is it?

That covers just about most countries in the world.It’s more who hasn’t done it than who has done.

Absolutely.

Whitewavemark2

Stealing land with violence is never a good look is it?

That covers just about most countries in the world.It’s more who hasn’t done it than who has done.

Unfortunately the hostages will be at the same risk of being bombed as the Gazan civilians so I guess many of them will be dead. Netanyahu has never prioritised the release of hostages, which is a very different approach to how hostage situations have been dealt with in the past. I do wonder if the right wing members of his government (Smotrich and Ben-Gvir in particular) are less concerned about these hostages as they come from groups of people who are not sympathetic to the expansion policy of the far right. Apparently Smotrich and Ben-Gvir want to go into Lebanon as well. I can see a future for Israel with secular Jews choosing to leave rather than live in a country that is permanently at war with it's neighbours.

How many of these poor hostages are still alive? It doesn't bear thinking about what has happened to the young girls who were taken.

Stealing land with violence is never a good look is it?

Sadly there's so much hatred. Right wing Israelis have been stopping aid going into Gaza and there's been violence towards Palestinians living in the West Bank and more Jewish settlers have moved into Palestinian areas. Many Israeli Jews are totally opposed to this but Netanyahu 's government is allowing it to happen. None of this justifies the 7/10 atrocities but it's making a peaceful future for either Israelis or Palestinians increasingly difficult to achieve.

I suspect that little will be done to control this behaviour until and unless there is a change of government in Israel, that embraces the two state solution and respects the sovereign right of the Palestinians - which is what the so-called Israeli “stinking leftest traitors”recognise as the only way forward.

This whole thing is awful. Hamas is not Palestine, groups operate everywhere, just how can any government leave people so desperate. Is this what interpreting the word of God is? Not the way I see it. It’s about power and control.

I fear that Netanyahu is stuck with placating the far right members of his government who are keeping him in power. They want to get rid of the Palestinians from Gaza and resettle it with Israeli Jews. However, the US will never agree to that. If he agrees to a ceasefire his days in office are numbered and there's a good chance he'll end up in jail. I can't see a way out for him.

Glad to find this thread as I am confused about the current state of politics in Israel - there are clear differences of opinion about what should happen in Gaza next?

What was "the leftist" supposed to have done to be attacked?I don't understand?

I posted this other thread, it's pretty similar.

www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/18/father-of-woman-killed-at-israeli-festival-tells-of-relief-after-recovery-of-her-body

it seems to be a difference between those wanting Gaza to be governed by international means but others wanting a long term Israeli military presence? Is that right?