Families who lost relatives in the 07/10 attack by Hamas are being assaulted, tragedy doesn't always bring people together.

Same here🥱

I agree maddyone, I neither read or reply to paddyannes tirades, whether about Israel, Westminster, or any other issue. Suffice to say, anti sematism does cross my mind, but I'm not prepared to rise to it or argue about it.

Galaxy

Just a reminder that paddyann lecturing us on how to be 'good' was deleted for antisemitism.

I no longer read her posts.
They offend me.

A man who lost six members of his family in the 07/10 attacks was attacked himself
How very sad. Where is the sympathy for this man?

There is a long history of antagonism which includes occupations as well as military attacks, for me not "one side good, one side bad".

So I am genuinely interested in a thread which tries to look inside Israel in terms of future plans and differing political views re land use and governance in Gaza in terms of what is the most likely way towards relative peace.

Just a reminder that paddyann lecturing us on how to be 'good' was deleted for antisemitism.

paddyanne54 you have conveniently omitted the part where Palestinians aka Hamas and/or other terrorist organisations in the area have been repeatedly attacking Israel for the same amount of years…

Jews driving out Palastinians not Israelis driving out Paddyanne ? allegedly

No paddyann conflating Israel's regime (s) with "jews" is anti semitic imo. Labelling all after the actions of some.

(I was replying to Oreo)

Yes!

I admire Kedem who came out after his losses to demonstrate for a cease fire and a halt to hostilities instead of hating. dont know if I could do that..

it was not only the october massacre that was the problem its 70 YEARS of Israeli led attacks on people just asking to be left to live their lives...but no Israel tears down houses throws folk off lands they.ve occupied for many generations and then "settles" Israeli's on it.Its an abomination and hearing a member of the Israeli parliament say in public that people were viewing GAZA to pick a spot to settle on wasn't just sickening its criminal.Netanyahu MUST be stopped...from the river to the sea is always quoted as Palestinians driving out Jews ...its really not its jews driving out Palestinians as they have been for decades .Open your eyes and see the truth .Israel has played its victim card too often,getting away with ignoring UN resolutions and getting massive funding from the likes of the USA .We are ALL complicit in these needless deaths

As I said earlier, feelings there run high.If we had been invaded and over a thousand people, children and babies murdered horribly, we may be shouting at the relatives of hostages, who knows?

That was shocking, unforgivable, and no one here has supported Hamas or its followers in those actions.

It's not an either/or - looking inside Israel and the issues there, which is what has been happening in this discussion, is crucial to understanding whats happening and the politics of ending the conflict.

Clearly, shouting at the wife of a man who has lost 6 hostages, " “a degenerate, a stinking leftist, it’s a good thing your children died.” does tell us there is hate in many places.

The Palestinians who cheered when the bodies of hostages were driven around for them to applaud

foxie48

Unfortunately, Palestinians living in Gaza have no choice about where they live as they are effectively imprisoned there. There's an article in the Guardian that suggests that the war in Gaza is driving Palestinians towards supporting Hamas because they feel so threatened by illegal Israeli settlers. It is such a mess and no one is gaining anything, just lots of suffering and there is no end in sight.

You mean Palestinians in the West Bank, who celebrated jubilantly after the October massacre by hamas.
Oh yes! Plenty of hamas supporters there.

Whitewavemark2

foxie48 that is always going to be the case where you have an oppressed population.

Agree.

nanna8

Well with what’s left of Gaza now you wouldn’t think either side would want to live there. What a disaster this whole thing is.

Thats why it's time to call a ceasefire and talk - involving international parties too.

foxie48

Unfortunately, Palestinians living in Gaza have no choice about where they live as they are effectively imprisoned there. There's an article in the Guardian that suggests that the war in Gaza is driving Palestinians towards supporting Hamas because they feel so threatened by illegal Israeli settlers. It is such a mess and no one is gaining anything, just lots of suffering and there is no end in sight.

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It’s utterly tragic

foxie48 that is always going to be the case where you have an oppressed population.

Unfortunately, Palestinians living in Gaza have no choice about where they live as they are effectively imprisoned there. There's an article in the Guardian that suggests that the war in Gaza is driving Palestinians towards supporting Hamas because they feel so threatened by illegal Israeli settlers. It is such a mess and no one is gaining anything, just lots of suffering and there is no end in sight.

Well with what’s left of Gaza now you wouldn’t think either side would want to live there. What a disaster this whole thing is.

Which is why Gantz and others want to move to a negotiating table now.

Actually there has been a history of hostage taking and the successful exchange for Palestinian prisoners. I am not in any way excusing what Hamas has done but in the past Israel would have negotiated and hostages would have been returned. From what I have read in a variety of media reports including some from Israeli newspapers, it has been Israel that has been unwilling to compromise by refusing a ceasefire.
“We need to rely on the army that will bring them all home safely,” Israeli president Isaac Herzog said to the hostages’ families in October. Netanyahu told them, “The greater the pressure, the greater the chances [of freeing the captives].” That’s the excuse this time, too. In a statement, Netanyahu claimed invading Rafah would “apply military pressure on Hamas, with the goal of making progress on freeing the hostages and the other war aims.”
"Of the prisoners Israel agreed to release as part of the November cease-fire and hostage exchange, 80 percent hadn’t been convicted of any crime."
jacobin.com/2024/05/gaza-israel-hostages-administrative-detention

Oreo

He isn’t popular there but as leader he and his government have to face a terrible situation.Israel was invaded and attacked as we all know last October, by hamas who live to destroy Israel and all Jews.They are now being wiped out by Israeli soldiers and no doubt wish they had never started it, but they did and they have to face the consequences.Terrorist groups like hamas can never be reasoned with properly regards hostages taken and don’t even care about their own people, the Palestinians.
There’s no easy answer either as to what should happen in Gaza for the future.
It’s not all about BN, and in future elections there he will be replaced.

With all due respect, it shouldn’t be up to the Israeli govt to decide what happens to Gaza. What Hamas did was atrocious, utterly unforgivable, but there’s been “tensions” to put it mildly, in Gaza since WW2. I hear so much, rightly, against the unfair treatment and discrimination against the Jewish community, but what about the ordinary Palestinian people? Or doesn’t anyone believe that there are any peace loving normal Palestinians?

Hamas wish to wipe the Jews out, in their entirely, Netunyahu seems hellbent on doing this too, not only Hamas but every man, woman and child still living in Gaza?

What’s the solution? I certainly don’t know!